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andyallwood
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maybe if they didn't aim it at a younger/dumber market, more people with decent taste in music would go!
maybe if they didn't aim it at a younger/dumber market, more people with decent taste in music would go!
no there isn't
if you want genuine musical choice, you go to glastonbury or bestival where you will hear house, dnb, techno, folk, chilled out stuff, jazz, indie, reggae, pop, live electronics, you name it.
Ikoda
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And I bet you, a pound to a penny, that it's capacity was a hell of a lot smaller, too, so could get away with less 'mainstream dance' acts.
You cannot have both an 'underground scene' and expect people to sell out a 50,000 capacity venue. That just doesn't work. Underground tends to mean not known, correct? So how would this underground DJ help sell 50,000 tickets?
Generally speaking, if people don't know who there going to see or what they are letting themselves in for, especially when it costs £120 for the tickets, they won't go.
GG and Creamfields are all about making money for the promoters. Else they wouldn't put it on, or wouldn't charge a fee. No one does anything in this world for free.
Onemore: Creamfields looks good for Trance, which is my favorite music genre, by far.
Ikoda
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The problem with Glastonbury is that it's a right arse-ache to get tickets. Which is why I've yet to go
who is on that line up that you like???
people are getting stressed about 2 artists from what i can see.
there is about another 100 acts on, so go and see someone else somewhere else when the acts you don't like are playing!
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andyallwood
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the likes of Tinie Tempah and other pop stars stop me from going, like Dizzee Rascal stopped me from going last year, Guetta has stopped me going to Creamfields this year also.
If they stop putting 'artists' like these on I'm sure more people with taste would go, instead of the young, tone deaf crowd!
If they stop putting 'artists' like these on I'm sure more people with taste would go, instead of the young, tone deaf crowd!
hauskitten
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I meant at a younger market than before 15, 16,17 these should be aimed at 18 plus at least, and I know plenty of 20 year olds who are into house and techno in a big way.... they had Kanye West one year how much did he cost??? Surely they wernt hiring him to draw in crowds and aid the costs of Hawtin etc surely if they left Kanye out and maybe didnt sell every ticket they would have still afforded the top DJs.
Look at the european dance festivals.. timewarp, klubbers day, sonar why can't ours be a bit more like theirs
Look at the european dance festivals.. timewarp, klubbers day, sonar why can't ours be a bit more like theirs
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andyallwood
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Then they shouldn't do it in a 50,000 capacity venue, that is just greed, and obviously money is more important to them than the music, and once that happens it all goes down hill!
Beckiboo
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I agree with you to a point. The dance music of today is Breakbeat, Dubstep, Grime etc (pretty much what's in the rinse arena at GG), whereas in my teens it was Garage, Drum and bass, Hardcore
and Hardhouse. However I know for a fact these genres of music are still going and are still really popular with the kidz. I don't think these types of music are necessarily less popular, I just think that GG can see a gap in their festival business plan and can see extra $$$ being made by including a more mainstream lineup. The underground artists are still there, it's just the headliners are there to pull in more people from the mainstream groups.
My younger bro (21) hasn't got a clue about dance music, his imagintation just about stretches to Pendulum. When he starts talking about going to GG I know it's sold out!
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andyallwood
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why should i give a single penny of my hard earned (sometimes) money to the pop stars though?
thats massively cutting off your nose to spite your face mate!!
If there is someone on you really wanna see who you rarely get chance to see (say Hawtin for example who rarely plays in the UK) then why would you let 2 artists who you wouldn't listen to anyway stop you going?? That is non-sensical.
hauskitten
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What is the big thing about a massive capacity???
Is it better when there are 20000 than when there are 10000?? Some very bizarre viewpoints related to 'music' festivals here..
Is it better when there are 20000 than when there are 10000?? Some very bizarre viewpoints related to 'music' festivals here..
Ikoda
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Why should I go to Global and pay for the 110 artists, when I won't see half of them?
I agree with you to a point. The dance music of today is Breakbeat, Dubstep, Grime etc (pretty much what's in the rinse arena at GG), whereas in my teens it was Garage, Drum and bass, Hardcore
I don't think these types of music are necessarily less popular, I just think that GG can see a gap in their festival business plan and can see extra $$$ being made by including a more mainstream lineup. The underground artists are still there, it's just the headliners are there to pull in more people from the mainstream groups.
My younger bro (21) hasn't got a clue about dance music, his imagintation just about stretches to Pendulum. When he starts talking about going to GG I know it's sold out!
exactly - cos if they don't come you have not got the finance to bring over the likes of Hawtin/Cox/Sasha/John Digweed and all the others who will be costing at least 5 figures each in terms of fees
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andyallwood
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look at the Sonar line up!
Underworld, M.I.A., Aphex Twin, Magnetic Man, Steve Reich + bcn216 + Synergy Vocals, Die Antwoord, The Human League, Cut Copy, Janelle Monáe, Paul Kalkbrenner, Chris Cunningham, Boys Noize, Buraka Som Sistema, Katy B, Apparat, Alva Noto & Ryuichi Sakamoto, Shackleton, James Holden, Nicolas Jaar, Global Communication, A-Trak, Atmosphere, Toro Y Moi, Annie Mac, Hype Williams, Little Dragon, Tyondai Braxton, Mary Anne Hobbs, Steve Aoki, Actress, Yelle, Scuba, Dominique Young Unique, Agoria, DZA, Benji B, Pearson Sound aka Ramadanman, Gilles Peterson, How To Dress Well, Surgeon, Open Reel Ensemble, Silent Servant, Diskjokke, DELS, Lory D, Africa Hitech, Toddla T, Redlight feat. Ms. Dynamite & Dread MC, The Gaslamp Killer, Astrud + Col·lectiu Brossa ...
now tell me which is better! 8)
Underworld, M.I.A., Aphex Twin, Magnetic Man, Steve Reich + bcn216 + Synergy Vocals, Die Antwoord, The Human League, Cut Copy, Janelle Monáe, Paul Kalkbrenner, Chris Cunningham, Boys Noize, Buraka Som Sistema, Katy B, Apparat, Alva Noto & Ryuichi Sakamoto, Shackleton, James Holden, Nicolas Jaar, Global Communication, A-Trak, Atmosphere, Toro Y Moi, Annie Mac, Hype Williams, Little Dragon, Tyondai Braxton, Mary Anne Hobbs, Steve Aoki, Actress, Yelle, Scuba, Dominique Young Unique, Agoria, DZA, Benji B, Pearson Sound aka Ramadanman, Gilles Peterson, How To Dress Well, Surgeon, Open Reel Ensemble, Silent Servant, Diskjokke, DELS, Lory D, Africa Hitech, Toddla T, Redlight feat. Ms. Dynamite & Dread MC, The Gaslamp Killer, Astrud + Col·lectiu Brossa ...
now tell me which is better! 8)
Johnny Vodka
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I would have thought the whole mephedrone/online research chemical thing turned a new generation on to drugs.
But, yeah, a lot of people think they're into dance music when what they actually mean is they're into chart music they can dance to.
onemore said:
But they may have to suffer the indignity of brushing past Tinie Tempah fans on the way in and being contaminated with uncoolness.
hauskitten
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Hawtin played Atomicjam bham last year. Anyone deperate to see him would have been there partying with only likewise people.. it's not the fact that 2 poo artists are there (anyway theres way more than 2) It's the fact that the whole vibe is altered it changes EVERYTHING
Beckiboo
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I dunno, in 2003 they had Hawtin, Cox, Tiesto, Digweed, Morillo. They didn't need any mainstream artists that year
hauskitten
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What about the true dance music lovers who couldn't afford to buy their ticket straight away then learned that the effin thing had sold out because TT was there
no contest obviously but your GG mongs wouldn't 'get' sonar - they might as well inhabit a parallel universe. It's gotta be BOSH all the way baby