first season without after hours

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so what? some days ago it still said 10am. i reckon their keyboard doesnt have threes and fours so they cant write.....

4.30

..... or they have a very strange sense of humour ! !

Hmm...maybe your strategy of changing the font will get the point accross this time. :lol: Nothing else seems to be working.

I think that there are some people who will have to physically show up at the club and see it closed for themselves to believe that the new ordinances actually exist.
 
i dont get the panic and confusion towards the new schedule, yes its great to know that you can go to a party in the morning or after hours. but practically its not that devastating, i mean if you really are a hardcore clubber, you have 13.5 hours to get your clubbing dose. if you can do more than that, day in day out, then the new laws will affect you. otherwise, all what you'll miss is the real early party sessions that you did once or twice.yes is sucks, but its not that big a deal.
 
Even we Love.... are saying they are opening at 4pm. What IS going on!?!?!

Maybe they are trying to test the rules as to the definition of "opening". As "closing" most places in the world is defined to when the music is stopped and light turned on maybe space try to implement "opening" as to when the music is turned on...
 
To anybody that thinks the harsh ban on after hours will not affect Ibiza, IMO isn't thinking it through very well.

1. The beach bars can't play music til 4:30, The so called clubbing capital of the world can't do what every other beach bar located in another country can, play music during the day. I can't see how this will not have some long term affect. Every other tourist destination on a beach has music during the day at there bars.

2. You can go to clubs during the day on the weekend in most beach destinations. Not in Ibiza however. Since when is it so odd to party during the day when most people are normally up?

3. The owner of Space says that the new laws will not affect Space. What do you expect him to say? It's not like he is going to come out and say that it is a decline for Space. This kills a good atmosphere at Space every Sat and Sun.

4. People like me are upset. It's a lot cheaper for me to go to Miami, and I can party when I want to. So guess who is thinking about skipping Ibiza, people like me.

5. I don't go to Ibiza and party for days on end. Spent money at lot's of other places besides clubs. I usually divide the vacation up into two parts, clubbing some days and just hanging out others. If I don't come to club then I wont be there to hang out and spend money on the days I am not clubbing.

6. Probably the final straw for me is I get the perception that people that go out are no longer welcome in Ibiza. (perception is reality when your thousands of miles away) No need to sing the Ibiza is dead tune, because fewer people will be there to sing it.
 
To anybody that thinks the harsh ban on after hours will not affect Ibiza, IMO isn't thinking it through very well.

1. The beach bars can't play music til 4:30, The so called clubbing capital of the world can't do what every other beach bar located in another country can, play music during the day. I can't see how this will not have some long term affect. Every other tourist destination on a beach has music during the day at there bars.

To be honest the whole not opening til 4.30 if fine with me, apart from it maybe shaving a couple of hours of at space on a sunday or dc10 it doesnt have much effect. If this is what they think will "sort out" whatever problem they seem to think they have then great. however its this point that I think will also be quite damaging. There are plenty of beaches with beach bars that are not as crazy as bora bora but add to a good atmosphere on the beach during the day. The majority of people using these types of beaches are tourists and I dont think you would find too many disagreeing with that. On the other hand there are also plenty of beaches which dont have beach bars which would remain peaceful. What is so difficult about accommodating everyone?
 
To be honest the whole not opening til 4.30 if fine with me, apart from it maybe shaving a couple of hours of at space on a sunday or dc10 it doesnt have much effect. If this is what they think will "sort out" whatever problem they seem to think they have then great. however its this point that I think will also be quite damaging. There are plenty of beaches with beach bars that are not as crazy as bora bora but add to a good atmosphere on the beach during the day. The majority of people using these types of beaches are tourists and I dont think you would find too many disagreeing with that. On the other hand there are also plenty of beaches which dont have beach bars which would remain peaceful. What is so difficult about accommodating everyone?

Just about the same goes for me as well. I did not usually do daytime clubbing much earlier that 3.00 -4.00 as I'm the kind of partyer who needs some rest and sleep between the events (maybe just because I'm getting old :oops:), so all this will not have a dramatic influence on my clubbing in Ibiza. I will miss matinee the most because I did actually go there a few times as early as when the doors of Space opened, but it was always after a long and peaceful resting the evening/night before. All this seems as bad news though, bacause for so many the daytime clubbing is what ibiza is all about and I'm sure this will have some impact on the amount of people that go there. I'm not sure what they are trying to accomplish with the new law(s), because this will most certainly not do any good for the image of clubbing in Ibiza. I can understand the 12.00 opening ideology in order to stop after parties to an extent and so calm the party masses a bit in making the 24 hours of partying in one day impossible for a good few hours, but this almost kills daytime parties as well. I believe most of the people who do daytime clubbing do not do these 24 hour rows. Daytime parties gathers it's own crowd by far. Ibiza is all about being special, that is what keeps people going
there. Ibiza still is very special and have been for a very long time even with it's growing popularity. Now they are obviously trying to do some changes, but why and most of all at what direction they are planning to go? Money is the thing that usually rules in the end. And I don't see more money moving around the island with these new opening times... My question is: Why mess up a good thing?
 
...Now they are obviously trying to do some changes, but why and most of all at what direction they are planning to go? Money is the thing that usually rules in the end. And I don't see more money moving around the island with these new opening times... My question is: Why mess up a good thing?

In a nutshell, the Consell believes that the island will make more money by getting rid of clubbers, or at the very least, the most hard core clubbers. The general feeling amongst those in charge is that clubbers drive away "quality tourists" who would have a better impact on the island's economy and quality of life. This is a common complaint in coastal Spain where it is referred to as "turismo de borrachera" (drunk tourism).

The percentage of tourists who come to Ibiza to go clubbing is 25% (at least that is the number that is constantly cited). Families and wealthy individuals are frightened by youth culture and in particular those who like to dance. The idea is, get rid of these people and Ibiza will extend it's tourist season and bring in folks who will spend more.
 
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Ibiza is changing coz its not a good thing for the people from ibiza anymore... I love clubbing and I love going out in Ibiza... there are so many special places and most of the time the atmosphere is just sooo good.
But I was born in Ibiza and i have been living there for a long time... And its just getting too big.. Its not posible to accomodate everybody like before. There are too many problems, excess and abuses...

Ibiza has been welcoming people from all over the world to come and party and have a great time enjoying what the island has to give... but now its getting bigger each year and its more about the masses and the money... so they are just starting to look a little bit more for their convenience.

And don't misunderstand me... Ibiza owes a lot to the people that has been coming.. and couldnt live without tourism... But the spirit of ibiza was about the mix between the people from the island and the people coming enjoying the place... and freedom... now its too big to let the people do what they want... having free parties with a hundred hippies isnt the same as with thousands of clubbers... it s mess..

So what I think Ibicencos want is just to try to cut a little bit all the abuses..
And I think they deserve it.

The spirit of ibiza remains in the people that loves ibiza for what it really is... (not a clubbing theme park or clubbing island..) There will be good clubs and good parties to go as long as this people is here... and I dont think they will leave just because there are some changes in clubbing schedules....

If you think ibiza is only about the capacity of the clubs... the 24h party... the names of the djs.. and the crazyness... next time you go try to discover what it really is..
 
thats a pretty good point well made, but it still think their changes are a tad too draconian, they could have gone about it differently. i think the changes they have brought about bring new dangers to the island as well (as mentioned in the ibiza voice editorial on the matter a few months back).

anyway, this discussion is so old now. yawwwwwwwwwwwnn...

tbh, i don't think i've ever actually been as excited about an ibiza trip as i am about 2008 8)
 
In a nutshell, the Consell believes that the island will make more money by getting rid of clubbers, or at the very least, the most hard core clubbers. The general feeling amongst those in charge is that clubbers drive away "quality tourists" who would have a better impact on the island's economy and quality of life. This is a common complaint in coastal Spain where it is referred to as "turismo de borrachera" (drunk tourism).

The percentage of tourists who come to Ibiza to go clubbing is 25% (at least that is the number that is constantly cited). Families and wealthy individuals are frightened by youth culture and in particular those who like to dance. The idea is, get rid of these people and Ibiza will extend it's tourist season and bring in folks who will spend more.

So basicly they are trying to turn it into some kind of Mallorca 2, when it comes to tourism!? I do not believe that Ibiza is known for being a cheap location for a vacation. I'm willing to bet that the average amount of money that tourists spend on their trips to Ibiza is now where near as low as it supposedly is in a "normal" tourist location in Spain, especially when it comes to clubbing/clubbers. Even a short time trip will turn out relatively expencive if you plan to do some clubbing in your vacation and that is perfectly fine by me as long as you are getting quality in return. The fact is that people like to party, even the rich bustards that do spend a load of money in their villas, in fancy restaurants and in VIP rooms at the clubs while drinking cristal. They will turn away alot of people with $ as well with this ideology. I can understand why they are trying to get rid of the "turismo de borrachera" with no other intention than to get drunk as cheap as possible while in the party capital of the planet, but they are doing it the wrong way IMO, unless ofcourse they plan to get rid of clubbing completely in the end. I doubt that. "turismo de borrachera" is where it easilly leads when the popularity grows and the risk is even bigger when the location is considered a party island. The clubbing scenery still is what keeps rich folk coming back as well. Ibiza has a history of quality party scenery so old that it will be very hard to go against with. And besides people will always get drunk, especially when on vacation in a sunny mediterranean island, that's as sure as life and death it self... It will be intresting to see how far they will go with these new restricting laws they come up with almost reguraly nowdays. I mean right now it's at no loud music/partying before 4.30 for 2008. Then what about 2009 and the future? :rolleyes:
 
tbh, i don't think i've ever actually been as excited about an ibiza trip as i am about 2008 8)


To be fair ... i am looking forward to this season more than any other. As are most of my friends here, who are all Ibiza vets ! We´re just getting good vibes about this summer, regardless of the changes.
 
... And its just getting too big ...
... Ibiza has been welcoming people from all over the world ... but now its getting bigger each year and its more about the masses and the money... now its too big ... There will be good clubs and good parties to go as long as this people is here... and I dont think they will leave just because there are some changes in clubbing schedules ...
maybe the "problem" is solved a different, "natural" way ?!

look at worldwide serious economical problems, rising gas prices, rising flight prices,
rising food prices, wtf-else rising ...and then let´s see how many people still can
afford a not inexpensive ibiza-trip and let´s see how the season 08 develops
(bookings etc) ...
 
When talking about the amount of money clubbers spend (which is a lot, no doubt about that) you have to remember that the key question for the locals is how much of that reaches them. So when you spend €35 getting into Pacha, how much of that is going into Erick Morillo's pocket? And when you spend €12 on a beer, how much is going into the club owner's pocket? The aggressive attitude of some bar staff when it comes to seeking tips is irritating, but maybe that reflects the fact that they are not well paid? I People who go out there to work for a season will tolerate this because there are other attractions, but it's a different story for permanent residents. Of course, tourism of all kinds is known for low paid jobs and I would argue that the vast majority of money from a golf course would equally go to the owner rather than the local economy, but the Socialist Party has a record of trying to make tourism pay for natives (remember the tourist tax?) and it seems to be a vote winner.

It is disappointing that hours are being squeezed, but the atmosphere in the clubs will be the same, the choice of DJs will still be the best in the world and opening hours will still be immeasurably better than most places (eg Northern Ireland has only two clubs open after 3am and it is illegal to sell alcohol after 1am except in hotel residents' bars). The end of beach clubs would be a bigger loss, but let's see what happens in practice.I probably won't be there this summer, but that was always on the cards and it's likely I'll be back next year. The closure of the Space terrace was supposed to be the end of Ibiza as we know it, but the best night out I had last all year was on the new terrace.
 
The new opening hours have made no difference to how excited I am. Looking forward to this holiday as much as last year. I've never really done much daytime clubbing anyway.

Clubs in Scotland have to shut at 3, occasionally 4. So it's still a whole lot more clubbing than I get at home.
 
When talking about the amount of money clubbers spend (which is a lot, no doubt about that) you have to remember that the key question for the locals is how much of that reaches them. So when you spend €35 getting into Pacha, how much of that is going into Erick Morillo's pocket? And when you spend €12 on a beer, how much is going into the club owner's pocket? The aggressive attitude of some bar staff when it comes to seeking tips is irritating, but maybe that reflects the fact that they are not well paid? I People who go out there to work for a season will tolerate this because there are other attractions, but it's a different story for permanent residents. Of course, tourism of all kinds is known for low paid jobs and I would argue that the vast majority of money from a golf course would equally go to the owner rather than the local economy, but the Socialist Party has a record of trying to make tourism pay for natives (remember the tourist tax?) and it seems to be a vote winner.

It is disappointing that hours are being squeezed, but the atmosphere in the clubs will be the same, the choice of DJs will still be the best in the world and opening hours will still be immeasurably better than most places (eg Northern Ireland has only two clubs open after 3am and it is illegal to sell alcohol after 1am except in hotel residents' bars). The end of beach clubs would be a bigger loss, but let's see what happens in practice.I probably won't be there this summer, but that was always on the cards and it's likely I'll be back next year. The closure of the Space terrace was supposed to be the end of Ibiza as we know it, but the best night out I had last all year was on the new terrace.


A good point about the money spent and to whos pocket that money end up. What has to be taken into consideration as well is, on what else people spend thier money on their trip? That special ibiza vibe and famous clubbing scenery also brings lots wealthier poeple to the island. And once they are there they are obviously going to spend a load of cash on other things than clubbing as well. I mean there is a fine selection quality things on the island(some of them being pretty expencive) where you can and many have/will spend money. With the possibility of less people visiting the island leads to the possibility of less money coming in. And that counts for everyone who is trying to sell/offer something in the island, even though it's the clubs and bars who suffer the most from all this, I would say.
 
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