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Tucker said:
I’m gonna stay out of the debate on the state of UK politics today. But what I will say is this! This scene of ours was born in part as a backlash to Thatchers oppressive authoritarian regime! The acid house/ rave scene of late eighties/ early nineties was in large part a big middle finger to the authorities ( Tory government) of the time! I was at the Criminal justice bill protest in 1994 where my friends were beaten up by the police. The outsiders, the squatters, the road protesters, the free party ravers came together to fight for this scene we have today. Literally shedding blood! Some of my friends are disgusted that today there are people within this thing we built supporting and voting Conservative. I’m glad they have been rejected and hope they stay gone!
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ironic though that of the 2 men who ran the original Sunrise raves, one (Tony Colston-Hayter) later went to jail for theft and deception and the other (Paul Staines) later set up arch-Tory website Guido Fawkes. Behind the 'one love' hugs and the global hypercolour tees, there were always spivs and shysters making a killing behind the scenes. One of the reasons I eventually grew to resent what now passes for dance culture (and I make no secret of it on here) is that every single aspect of the early naive rave idealism was smashed by either governments or greed. Yes we all get old and turn into our parents, but also worth remembering the amount of sheer bullshit that used to get spouted just because there were good Es.
 
Taxing the super rich even 1 or 2% more would help fund the NHS properly. People don't mind paying more tax if they have decent public services e.g. the Nordic model. I generally favour nationalisation because the high prices the public are now paying can go back into the system and not into the already minted shareholders pockets. The greed of these people has reached monolithic levels. With a healthy majority and a wife in the NHS I think Mr Starmer will do just fine. A National Care service will also benefit everyone. I normally vote Lib Dem but went Labour as I know what the country needs and who I trust, and I woke up this morning with the sun shining and some hope for a better country today, something that hasn't been possible since Brexit.

(I don't post serious stuff usually so I will see you all in the fun threads)
 
The Sun God said:
ironic though that of the 2 men who ran the original Sunrise raves, one (Tony Colston-Hayter) later went to jail for theft and deception and the other (Paul Staines) later set up arch-Tory website Guido Fawkes. Behind the 'one love' hugs and the global hypercolour tees, there were always spivs and shysters making a killing behind the scenes. One of the reasons I eventually grew to resent what now passes for dance culture (and I make no secret of it on here) is that every single aspect of the early naive rave idealism was smashed by either governments or greed. Yes we all get old and turn into our parents, but also worth remembering the amount of sheer bullshit that used to get spouted just because there were good Es.
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Yes, of course under closer scrutiny things in the scene have never been totally rosey.
 
mashednlovingit said:
Taxing the super rich even 1 or 2% more would help fund the NHS properly. People don't mind paying more tax if they have decent public services e.g. the Nordic model. I generally favour nationalisation because the high prices the public are now paying can go back into the system and not into the already minted shareholders pockets. The greed of these people has reached monolithic levels. With a healthy majority and a wife in the NHS I think Mr Starmer will do just fine. A National Care service will also benefit everyone. I normally vote Lib Dem but went Labour as I know what the country needs and who I trust, and I woke up this morning with the sun shining and some hope for a better country today, something that hasn't been possible since Brexit.

(I don't post serious stuff usually so I will see you all in the fun threads)
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It is a fair comment - though there has to be a common sense approach rather than just target the rich to help bring waiting list times down. While the NHS already eats up 11% of our budget.

The NHS is broken - conservatives threw money at it and it didn't improve it. They just went through unions and pay rises etc too.

ultimately you have to take a step back, look at the country and see what you need to change. That will have huge positive impact for the long term.

More tax, More money spent, More of the same - will result in us all feeling poorer and in five years just the same old shizz.
 
mashednlovingit said:
Yeah, I do. They created the thing it's in their blood. I'll at least give them the opportunity.

Happy to pay more tax to help others as well.
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You will certainly be paying more tax really soon to help others don't you worry about that.

Just please, not that I have seen you, but don't ever complain on this forum about the cost of Ibiza club entry. When the clubs are full to the brim.
 
Life of Rye said:
It is a fair comment - though there has to be a common sense approach rather than just target the rich to help bring waiting list times down. While the NHS already eats up 11% of our budget.

The NHS is broken - conservatives threw money at it and it didn't improve it. They just went through unions and pay rises etc too.

ultimately you have to take a step back, look at the country and see what you need to change. That will have huge positive impact for the long term.

More tax, More money spent, More of the same - will result in us all feeling poorer and in five years just the same old shizz.
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Whats the answer then? Privitisation?
 
Life of Rye said:
Typical comment from a lefty - zero value to add or anything compelling to say.
You will be accusing someone of being racist next.
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Not sure why you’ve brought race into it but anyway, probably says more about you

I believe in a just and ‘fair’ society

I believe in making the state work

I believe that under Labour there is a better chance of this happening. Maybe the NHS is too far gone at this stage?

I don’t believe in tax breaks for the rich, under paying our public servants, running public services into the ground, creating a massive class division, and handing out million pound PPE contracts to your buddies.

I’m Irish currently living in NI (but lived in England for a period too), our left and right over here are much more extreme. Why would I care… because our countries our intertwined and Labour will hopefully be a more sympathetic ear to much more working class society, which has a public sector heavy economy

So put down the Daily Mail, turn off the Nadine Dorries Podcast, and come out and help me egg Farage
 
elmooreo said:
Whats the answer then? Privitisation?
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You cannot ignore the fact that the NHS service is somewhat abused. A lot. It is taken way too much for granted.

That is by those that live in the UK and those that do not live in the UK.

There is also how many people who book appointments and do not turn up? - I remember going to Bedford hospital for a heart check and the Dr could not get over the fact I actually turned up to my appointment. I never forget how he mentioned it multiple times and thanked me! it turns out I read it is actually a big issue.

Or how about when A&E was empty when we had covid?

In my local area on the facebook group the most complaints are around trying to get hold of our GP and getting an appointment. Everyone locally blames all the new homes being built and that the GP cannot cope (ironically labour want to accelerate new homes being built....)

The answer is simple. Reduce immigration to realistic levels - let the country stabilise and catch up.
 
Floyd said:
Not sure why you’ve brought race into it but anyway, probably says more about you

I believe in a just and ‘fair’ society

I believe in making the state work

I believe that under Labour there is a better chance of this happening. Maybe the NHS is too far gone at this stage?

I don’t believe in tax breaks for the rich, under paying our public servants, running public services into the ground, creating a massive class division, and handing out million pound PPE contracts to your buddies.

I’m Irish currently living in NI (but lived in England for a period too), our left and right over here are much more extreme. Why would I care… because our countries our intertwined and Labour will hopefully be a more sympathetic ear to much more working class society, which has a public sector heavy economy

So put down the Daily Mail, turn off the Nadine Dorries Podcast, and come out and help me egg Farage
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Making the state work is just a way of saying - I am lazy and don't want to work. So I should receive hand outs and someone else should pay.

Put down the Daily mail and egg farage - hypocrisy at its finest there
 
I would disagree that the NHS is broken, from my personal experiences. It has saved family members lives, cured ills, given excellent end of life care, sorted my broken ankle in less than 90 minutes all within the last couple of years. Yes, it’s under huge pressure but it’s doing very well in the face of that.
Those in parliament that insist it’s broken and needs disbanding make me suspicious of what they’d rather have in place and who would benefit from that.
 
Mekka said:
I would disagree that the NHS is broken, from my personal experiences. It has saved family members lives, cured ills, given excellent end of life care, sorted my broken ankle in less than 90 minutes all within the last couple of years. Yes, it’s under huge pressure but it’s doing very well in the face of that.
Those in parliament that insist it’s broken and needs disbanding make me suspicious of what they’d rather have in place and who would benefit from that.
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Try telling a friend of mine who recently went 4 nights without sleep as she was treated for an infection in a chair in a ward with no beds that it’s not broken. I feel for the hard working front line staff in hospitals I really do, but I don’t think the NHS was created to deal with half the things it does now and somehow it needs to catch up so it really needs taking apart and looking at.

Reinstating some of the “cottage hospitals” as they were called where older people went to convalesce following being at major hospitals might help, however how do you staff them? Paying our NHS workers more might help but it’s just one of the many many things that’s wrong.

I could go on but it’s wearing me out (thanks covid hah!) so I’m going to 🤐 now
 
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Life of Rye said:
Making the state work is just a way of saying - I am lazy and don't want to work. So I should receive hand outs and someone else should pay.

Put down the Daily mail and egg farage - hypocrisy at its finest there
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It might mean that for you but certainly not me. A decent education system, facilities for those with mental health issues, services for our elderly / those with disabilities, addiction clinics, childcare, fair pay for civil servants, i could go on... run into the ground and underfunded.

Of course you know this, but have chosen to mis-understand. I must've riled you with an earlier post so we'll keep it within the boundaries and leave it at that sure

These eggs won't keep forever, ha
 
Some good things happened last night, and many disappointments. I can't get excited about the prospect of a centrist (at best) Labour government. I actually think they're to the right on a lot of things. Tories are chasing Reform to the right and Labour are chasing the Tories to the right. Not good IMO.
 
The Sun God said:
Probably the most surreal British election I've ever watched (with a million different subplots) and that was before I saw Rees-Mogg stood next to another candidate in a baked bean balaclava
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My parents live in rural Herefordshire now they are retired. It has been Conservative since 1906. A few weeks back they told me of this amazingly nice lady standing for the Green Party who was against all the river pollution in the two local rivers (not to bore people but rivers in the U.K. are a mess after we privatised water companies). I kind of just humoured them. And then the Green Party go and win in a rural area. Amazing.
 
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