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Crawleytown said:
Some of these posts are just mesmerising, must be the only one who enjoys reading the sheer absurdity of some of this haha

one thing that intrigues me most about elrow’s argument is - what could the motivation for governments possibly be for them to force uneccesary lockdowns or vaccine passports etc on their populations? What incentive could they possibly have? Has only weakened just about every leader I can think of apart from 1 or 2 very notable exceptions.
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I think I expanded on this already quite a few times but...

Fear, tunnel vision, confirmation bias, holding on to your first taken action - there's no way back (you can't say: oh that lockdown was not a good idea, sorry for the economical loss!), reputation, political motives (say your party cut heavily on healthcare for the past x years...), there's a EU pact to keep measures up until vaccination is completed because they spent billions on them, power, control over your population, an economic reset / leveling of income, gaining position in big companies such as airlines through state aid, pressure from other world leaders.

I also think power you gain...is really hard to give back. How much other advantages for governmental bodies float to the surface with the measures they implemented. An evening curfew and people staying mostly at home will definitely have an impact on crime. Less robberies, less burglaries. No bars, no clubs...no fights or drunken people out in the street causing trouble. And a vaccine passport is quite handy cause it also registers where you travel, what festival you visit. Freedom only seems to be "bought back" under conditions.

There's so much to think of without having to put a thin foil hat on.
But it's mostly just as mass fear driven tunnelvision event, a lot of scientist are already researching this.
 
Springal said:
Also - lets be honest this discussion is pointless, everyone has a view and likely it won't change. And guess what no-one on this thread can change anything. Coupled with the fact that from what I can tell you are the only resident from the Netherlands and I reckon no-one else really cares about what is / isn't going on in that country. You seem to think everyone is in the same scenario as your country when in fact many countries are coming out of restrictions, high rates of vaccinated residents etc. You're basically the man stood alone in the street shouting at the pigeons. Even when residents of other countries correct you about what is happening in their country you seem to ignore this or tell them they are wrong :spank:
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You speak like you're one of the people who don't really care what is going on in another country. In that case I have no idea what you're doing here. Discussion is never pointless. You'd be surprised how many people like me are shouting with me at the scary pigeons.
 
Springal said:
I love the way you listen to scientists / 'national health institutes' when it suits your argument, but they are just scientists ruining lives when it doesn't fit your narrative
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If you read my posts you'll see I think it's a fake relaxation of measures and I highly criticize my own government/national health institute.
However...in this article The Guardian is just doing what most of you are doing here too. Polarizing and virtue signaling.
 
I'm off to other stuff today, but don't count on me stopping spreading my views here yet.
Hope everyone here is looking forward to the upcoming climate lockdowns! ;)
 
W_I_C said:
You never ever hold yourself to the same scrutiny as you do everybody else. Nor do you question how your own spurious sources might also have shady agendas - and let's face it, you've been pulled up numerous times on the quality of those sources
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That was a few hundred pages back.
Yet if I post something from a trustable source, BBC..or Bild in Germany or CNN questioning the lockdowns....or something like this:
FlatErik said:
People who don't believe virologists, doctors and politicians are influencing MSM to make you scared should really really really watch this video.

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nobody replies. It's tunnelvision.
 
FlatErik said:
nobody replies. It's tunnelvision.
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I did reply. I said they were routinely ignored at the start of the pandemic, resulting in the unnecessary and avoidable deaths of 100,000s of Europeans.

So no wonder they were over-egging the figures now in order to be taken seriously by our clearly inept overlords, who they themselves were smarting for having so much blood on their hands

Remember now?

Btw, it may be of benefit for you to look up the fable of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Some interesting lessons there

Choose your sources and allies better. Clue: neo-Nazis are bad
 
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Michael1982 said:
I will give you the benefit of the doubt as you are not from Germany, but rest assured that Bild is the furthest thing from a trustable media source as we have in Germany. Just to point this out here.
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If you search for the truth : The opposite what Bild is writing is true. Its easy.
The sports part is shit , too. But sometimes they have sources for leaked transfer news.

If you are a C Celeb and you need attention , send them a boob pic or do something drunken. Sun is similar I herd. Is it true ?
 
Sounds like Balearics are going to accept tourists who have only had one jab rather than two without quarantine or tests ? Happy news for tourists wanting to travel if true, much less happy news for people concerned about catching Covid travelling or on holiday ... another nail in the coffin of confidence that tourism revenue generation will not be put ahead of providing a safe pool of travellers to mix with on holiday. The lead time to testing positive will probably push most of the detection and consequences back to home countries but by then the money's been spent

https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/2021/04/23/82949/holidays-mallorca-vaccine-jab.html

I guess it was predictable - the moment anyone decided to count getting J&J as being fully vaccinated is the moment it makes no clinical sense not to do the same for a single Astrazeneca or Pfizer jab. One shot of any reduces transmission by maximum 67%. That should push the resultant wave of infections from holidays a few weeks later into the Summer/Autumn and buy more of a Season. Makes economic sense where your motivation is maximizing tourist revenue. Makes much less sense if you're concerned about virus importation. UK is right to take a hard line on PCR tests for returning holidaymakers from Green list countries. They actually should require 2. However good the vaccination rates are in the destination country it's not locals you need to worry about it's other tourists those countries let in.
 
kimajy said:
Sounds like Balearics are going to accept tourists who have only had one jab rather than two without quarantine or tests ? Happy news for tourists wanting to travel if true, much less happy news for people concerned about catching Covid travelling or on holiday ... another nail in the coffin of confidence that tourism revenue generation will not be put ahead of providing a safe pool of travellers to mix with on holiday. The lead time to testing positive will probably push most of the detection and consequences back to home countries but by then the money's been spent

https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/2021/04/23/82949/holidays-mallorca-vaccine-jab.html

I guess it was predictable - the moment anyone decided to count getting J&J as being fully vaccinated is the moment it makes no clinical sense not to do the same for a single Astrazeneca or Pfizer jab. One shot of any reduces transmission by maximum 67%. That should push the resultant wave of infections from holidays a few weeks later into the Summer/Autumn and buy more of a Season. Makes economic sense where your motivation is maximizing tourist revenue. Makes much less sense if you're concerned about virus importation. UK is right to take a hard line on PCR tests for returning holidaymakers from Green list countries. They actually should require 2. However good the vaccination rates are in the destination country it's not locals you need to worry about it's other tourists those countries let in.
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On the other hand...One Covid vaccine cuts infection rate in all age groups - BBC News
 
Will be interesting to see if everyone rushes to travel just because it's allowed.

If I'm going, I will be sticking to my usual time of September (or maybe even wait until October) to see how it pans out first.
 
BareBen91 said:
On the other hand...One Covid vaccine cuts infection rate in all age groups - BBC News
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Yeah, hence the transmission reduction because if you don't get infected you can't transmit. So the single dose reduces risk but not at a very high rate as after 2. The biq ??? is the assumption that asymptomatic infection correlates with transmission reduction to broadly the same extent. Right from the outset we had a super-spreader in the French ski resort who infected a load of people despite showing no symptoms. None of this is really tested or proven so it's another gamble to see how it all pans out. The pinch points of risk based on what we've seen panning out are likely to be indoor venues, aeroplanes, buses and airports (together with any indoor bars or clubs etc).

These figures also hold only for UK and original strains because there weren't any potentially more vaccine resistant variants of concern widely circulating in UK where the studies were carried out (SA / Brazil ? Indian ? Other new ones ? ). So I think initial vaccinations will push back any wave but I don't think they will prevent sufficient transmission to remove the need for masks, distancing and post-holiday testing.
 
What I never understand, and what they (anti lockdowners) never explain, is WHY on earth 'they' (the government?) would actually want to lock us down.
Sure certain companies have profited from this, but overall this is costing the government millions and millions of £s.

Theses guys put it out like Boris jonhson gets paid commission for how long he keeps us in lockdown.
 
soha said:
What I never understand, and what they (anti lockdowners) never explain, is WHY on earth 'they' (the government?) would actually want to lock us down.
Sure certain companies have profited from this, but overall this is costing the government millions and millions of £s.

Theses guys put it out like Boris jonhson gets paid commission for how long he keeps us in lockdown.
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They’ve not got to that bit on YouTube yet
 
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