Don Simon
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It's got plenty to do with the shiny new trade deal Japan has just got with the EU, at the time that some people in Britain want to leave the EU.This has nothing to do with Brexit.
It's got plenty to do with the shiny new trade deal Japan has just got with the EU, at the time that some people in Britain want to leave the EU.This has nothing to do with Brexit.
They have a deal, it is the best one available given Theresa May's idiotic red lines. The EU will not compromise the key pillars of the union, or peace in Northern Ireland, in order to appease May. It's not the fault of the EU that she negotiated a deal that she couldn't even get her own party to accept, let alone Parliament. It's a national embarrassment.I was referring to that the Germans should be knocking on EU door pursuading them to go for as good a deal as possible with the British, instead letting of a no deal happen by playing hard ball. Which you said that it wouldn't make any difference. (Mentioned Germany because you mentioned German car manufacturers)
All EU members should be hoping for a deal with us to be honest, why would they not want a deal? I understand that whats good for one country, isn't for another. Which is one of the reasons I voted leave in the first place.
Most of the British general public have had the attitude "just get on with it" since we voted leave. its mostly politicians, news channels that are bringing it up.
While this is largely true, to say that Brexit was not a consideration is just an exercise in denial. I wonder how many more companies will have to leave before Brexiters, with their fingers in their ears, can no longer sing loudly enough to pretend nothing is happening?New car sales have been plummeting for years now. Friends and family within the industry predicted this a long time ago. A shift to buying pre registered vehicles and a very strong lease market has has hurt new car sales dramatically. The governments misguided threat on Diesel emissions and the shift to hybrid/electric vehicles also has had a massive effect. The likes of Mercedes, BMW and JLR spent millions on cleaner diesel engines only for the public to now be to scared to purchase a second hand one let alone one brand new.
The face of the car market has been radically changing for years. We can blame Brexit uncertainty for numerous things but the car industry isn't one of them.
That would make perfect sense if demand had completely disappeared. But the cars are being produced, reduced in number, somewhere rather than here. To deny that Brexit is a factor, doesn't make sense.New car sales have been plummeting for years now. Friends and family within the industry predicted this a long time ago. A shift to buying pre registered vehicles and a very strong lease market has has hurt new car sales dramatically. The governments misguided threat on Diesel emissions and the shift to hybrid/electric vehicles also has had a massive effect. The likes of Mercedes, BMW and JLR spent millions on cleaner diesel engines only for the public to now be to scared to purchase a second hand one let alone one brand new.
The face of the car market has been radically changing for years. We can blame Brexit uncertainty for numerous things but the car industry isn't one of them.
Running the clock down so MPs’ choice can only be between her deal and no deal is probably the best available option. Takes pie in the sky options from hardline leavers and remainers off the table.
Basically that.
The ground around them could literally be on fire and it would still be "Project Fear".
would you rather drink piss or eat shit?
what about those - possibly a majority - who would rather do neither?
Logistically is it entirely possible, the EU have already said they would allow an extension to Article 50 were there a significant political change in the UK (such as a referendum or general election).As much as people might want it, a second referendum is logistically, politically and morally impossible. More chance of getting the kind of utopian Brexit that Rees Mogg and co dream of than a “people’s vote.”
Whats stopping the UK getting a shiny new trade deal with Japan after Brexit day?It's got plenty to do with the shiny new trade deal Japan has just got with the EU, at the time that some people in Britain want to leave the EU.
Its the fault of the EU for not wanting to renegotiate the deal though. So they must be happy with said deal?They have a deal, it is the best one available given Theresa May's idiotic red lines. The EU will not compromise the key pillars of the union, or peace in Northern Ireland, in order to appease May. It's not the fault of the EU that she negotiated a deal that she couldn't even get her own party to accept, let alone Parliament. It's a national embarrassment.
Whats stopping the UK getting a shiny new trade deal with Japan after Brexit day?
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...pan-south-korea-unlikely-brexit/#.XG2DlR6nw0M
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45780889
Its just typical that the people in the car industry are claiming its nothing to do with Brexit, yet folk on this topic are saying it is. Preach on about believing the experts yet at the same time contradict themselves by saying its just denial.
As I said before, the deal is the best one available given the red lines of May and the foundations of the EU. The EU will not allow the Good Friday agreement to be broken, and therefore the likely return of violence in Northern Ireland and will not offer us, or anyone else, as good a deal out of the EU as we would get within it. That's really not rocket science, nor is it the fault of the EU.Its the fault of the EU for not wanting to renegotiate the deal though. So they must be happy with said deal?
I've always said, having a remainer in charge of Brexit was always going to lead up to fail.
I'm not sure what point you're making here, but my understanding is that Britain expected the trade deals it had via the EU to simply be "rolled over" into new independent trade deals when it left. What's actually happening is countries are saying "Whoa there cowboy, why would we give you as good a deal as we've had to give the EU?". In other words, countries that we have very good trade deals with as a result of the collective bargaining power or the EU, are wanting those deals renegotiated now we're in a far weaker position. It again shows the abject stupidity and arrogance of these people to assume they could waltz over to Asia and expect countries over there to simply sign on the dotted line (and is also why they have managed to piss off the Chinese and the Japanese in quick succession).Whats stopping the UK getting a shiny new trade deal with Japan after Brexit day?
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...pan-south-korea-unlikely-brexit/#.XG2DlR6nw0M
So we'd be welcomed with open arms into a trade deal which never got ratified, is still being discussed and therefore doesn't actually exist? You couldn't come up with a better metaphor for Brexit!
There is a fundamental difference between saying Brexit wasn't the prime factor in something and "Brexit had nothing to do with...", as you know. I don't think I've seen any industry expert claim that these closures had nothing to do with Brexit, it is almost always mentioned as a primary or secondary factor. There are political and commercial reasons why Honda didn't blame Brexit for the closures but I don't believe the majority of experts think Brexit had nothing to do with it.Its just typical that the people in the car industry are claiming its nothing to do with Brexit, yet folk on this topic are saying it is. Preach on about believing the experts yet at the same time contradict themselves by saying its just denial.
Its the fault of the EU
Had you quoted my post properly, you'd have noticed the very next words were "given the red lines of May and the foundations of the EU...".'given the red lines of May'
I think you'll find the 4 pillars of the EU are the real red lines here. Bizarre that anything that critiques this institution is quickly shut down. All sides should be open to criticism.