#Brexit

The deal is the only one on the table, the EU won’t give us anything else. It’s time remain MPs stopped hurtling us towards a no deal Brexit by voting against anything put in front of them to try and engineer a “people’s” vote.
 
The deal is the only one on the table, the EU won’t give us anything else. It’s time remain MPs stopped hurtling us towards a no deal Brexit by voting against anything put in front of them to try and engineer a “people’s” vote.

I'm all game for a peoples vote, and a potential extension to Article 50 as a result.
 
What possible evidence is there that a second referendum or remain option will be activated shy of the loud #FBPE mob on Twitter?
 
I remember I think it might have been you Mashed who posted a pretty convincing argument a couple of years back saying that everything would be fine because 'they' needed 'us' more and Audis/Prosecco had to be exported etc and I considered at the time that you might be right cos money talks right?

I promise you that was not me and you can search my post history my friend.

I have been trying to convince the party I am a member of that we need to share more factual based information and arguments for leaving on no deal than just the emotional stuff. I watched a leave rally the other week and aside from one guy it was highly emotive stuff only. It's simply not enough. This isn't an argument to say no deal will be any better but it needs to be put forward as an available option based on X, Y and Z. As a side note immediately after the referendum I wrote a short paper on why we need to act swiftly to ensure the economic platforms we have relied on for so many years would have to be transfered in a concise manner. Also some information on how cumbersome and slow new trading agreements take to be signed thus it being my biggest concern moving forward.
 
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Wasn’t the vote in June 2016 a people’s vote?

It was. Parliament is absolutely paralyzed by the current choices. Another referendum with additional options rather than 'stay or leave, but either option could mean anything to anyone' should be put out the public.

Nothing has enough momentum currently in the Commons so we'll just drop off the Brexit Cliff Edge in just under two months, no deal our way out of the EU, then run in to loads of issues as we aren't prepared in any real and meaningful way.

If we wanted to respect the 'will of the people' and not screw over a large number of the population, we should of fired the Article 50 shotgun after we had a plan. Not before.
 
A question for all those who voted remain. Please answer honestly.
If remain had won by the same margin in June 2016, but the majority of MP’s in Westminster were leavers. Would you think it would be acceptable for us to leave the customs union ignoring the result of the referendum?
 
I guess it all comes down to whether you think democracy is that important right now. Personally I couldn't give a shit how people voted in 2016. Am not especially arsed about another referendum either. If a country faces a national emergency, then I would personally have the experts in charge. You want leaders and confidence. And right now all the experts, all the specialists are all saying the same thing, industry, farming, car exporters, the hospitals, travel industry, supply chains, police databases, food standards are all about to get f-cked on a horrific scale unless somebody comes up with an urgent plan to avoid that.
 
I guess it all comes down to whether you think democracy is that important right now. Personally I couldn't give a shit how people voted in 2016. Am not especially arsed about another referendum either. If a country faces a national emergency, then I would personally have the experts in charge. You want leaders and confidence. And right now all the experts, all the specialists are all saying the same thing, industry, farming, car exporters, the hospitals, travel industry, supply chains, police databases, food standards are all about to get f-cked on a horrific scale unless somebody comes up with an urgent plan to avoid that.

I think that’s a very dangerous precedent to set for the future of our democracy and would have wide ranging implications... imagine the far right blossoming and possible civil unrest going forward . The decision to have a referendum was made by Parliament and they are morally bound to honour it now.
 
I would ordinarily agree, but I'd say that avoiding a national emergency is slightly more important than democracy right now

the far right? Farage, Rees-Mogg et al ARE the far right. They'll never settle for anything less than the full restoration of the British Empire.

Good luck on that one, chaps...
 
A question for all those who voted remain. Please answer honestly.
If remain had won by the same margin in June 2016, but the majority of MP’s in Westminster were leavers. Would you think it would be acceptable for us to leave the customs union ignoring the result of the referendum?
My issue is that 99% of people who voted hadn't a clue really what they were actually voting on or the implications of it.
I consider myself to be of ok intelligence and I still barely understand it lol.

Knowing what we do now and how difficult it is I'd say a lot of leave voters would change their vote if they could.
 
I guess it all comes down to whether you think democracy is that important right now. Personally I couldn't give a shit how people voted in 2016. Am not especially arsed about another referendum either. If a country faces a national emergency, then I would personally have the experts in charge. You want leaders and confidence. And right now all the experts, all the specialists are all saying the same thing, industry, farming, car exporters, the hospitals, travel industry, supply chains, police databases, food standards are all about to get f-cked on a horrific scale unless somebody comes up with an urgent plan to avoid that.
You’d make a cracking politician in the Workers Party of Korea
 
I just take the view that in emergency situations, democracy is not the priority.

ok, an extreme analogy but elections were suspended during WW2 but I doubt too many regret Churchill taking over the government

similarly it may be illegal to break/enter but you don't exactly hang about on the street if you see a family trapped in a burning house - you don't conduct a referendum first to find out if they authorise you to enter!
 
My issue is that 99% of people who voted hadn't a clue really what they were actually voting on or the implications of it.
I consider myself to be of ok intelligence and I still barely understand it lol.

Knowing what we do now and how difficult it is I'd say a lot of leave voters would change their vote if they could.
Its not rocket science though is it? Leave or Remain? That simple. Leaving meaning leave customs union, etc etc etc remain meaning etc etc

Voting leave wasn't the problem, the problem is how its being implemented. May has done everything she can at watering down the deal and doing anything and everything to keep the EU happy. Instead of going to Brussels with some backbone and playing hard ball shes done the opposite. For once we should of been setting the terms, show some strength.

Now the EU have said there is no renegotiation of the withdrawal agreement then shes stuck. She should just put the no deal on the table and walk away, which means jumping on WTO terms anyway? Because lets face it, her deal is a shit deal. Which also makes her statement of a no deal is better than a bad deal absoloute rubbish

I have lost faith in the system, mps are more interested in there own personal issues instead of sorting out what the UK voted for all you get from both sides (LAB&CON) are tit for tat with no solution, this has been dragging on since 2016 - earn your vastly overpaid wages and think of a plan.

It just proves how much mps are out of touch with the real world, that there wasn't even a Brexit plan just incase we might vote leave? Cameron soon f***ed off and left the mess for someone else.

But then again, have said this from the start when the majority of your party and current leader voted remain. . Time to kiss goodbye to a clean break.
 
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I just take the view that in emergency situations, democracy is not the priority.

ok, an extreme analogy but elections were suspended during WW2 but I doubt too many regret Churchill taking over the government

similarly it may be illegal to break/enter but you don't exactly hang about on the street if you see a family trapped in a burning house - you don't conduct a referendum first to find out if they authorise you to enter!
You’re equating this with Britain being in a state of total war against one of the worst totalitarian states in the history of the world??
 
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