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Reading some comments here, it's clear there is a long way to go for women to be treated equally, not just in dance music, but in life generally.

Just because you don't mean to be demeaning, doesn't mean you aren't, and claiming it's just the 'PC brigade' that doesn't like it is a convenient way to excuse yourself.
 
DarrenW said:
Reading some comments here, it's clear there is a long way to go for women to be treated equally, not just in dance music, but in life generally.

Just because you don't mean to be demeaning, doesn't mean you aren't, and claiming it's just the 'PC brigade' that doesn't like it is a convenient way to excuse yourself.
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I think people are going way over the top with all of this now. Things are more equal than people make out, in society it is supposedly acceptable for a women to say a man is too short but if a man says a women is to fat then that is out of order. Both situations are wrong yet women don't get pulled up on it and men do.
 
aregandj said:
I think people are going way over the top with all of this now. Things are more equal than people make out, in society it is supposedly acceptable for a women to say a man is too short but if a man says a women is to fat then that is out of order. Both situations are wrong yet women don't get pulled up on it and men do.
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I think we need to be careful to differentiate the vast difference in making a personal decision about whether somebody is attractive because of x, y & z

and the systematic oppression of certain sectors of society based on their gender-identity/sex/sexuality/religion/ethnicity etc.
 
For example, I agree that many (not all) women have parameters in regards to height when choosing a partner. As do men in regards to weight.

But there is a big difference between saying "sorry, I don't find that person attractive because I consider them to be too short" and the socially ingrained body-shaming towards women that you see on a daily basis in our media.

How many times are men actually pulled-up on their height in such a vulgar and bullying fashion? Very rarely I would argue. If ever.
 
white_isle_calling said:
For example, I agree that many (not all) women have parameters in regards to height when choosing a partner. As do men in regards to weight.

But there is a big difference between saying "sorry, I don't find that person attractive because I consider them to be too short" and the socially ingrained body-shaming towards women that you see on a daily basis in our media.

How many times are men actually pulled-up on their height in such a vulgar and bullying fashion? Very rarely I would argue. If ever.
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Well considering I am 5ft 5 and do have this problem I would disagree with that
 
aregandj said:
Well considering I am 5ft 5 and do have this problem I would disagree with that
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Sounds like you might be taking some experience of personal rejection and projecting it into a larger social problem?

Perhaps you can point me in the direction of some recent press articles which take aim at men's height?
 
white_isle_calling said:
Sounds like you might be taking some experience of personal rejection and projecting it into a larger social problem?

Perhaps you can point me in the direction of some recent press articles which take aim at men's height?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...its-even-worse-than-fat-shaming-10494782.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...e-up-about-short-men-and-their-anxieties.html
There is 2, it is a personal problem and that is exactly the whole point of all of this isn't it? There are many more men who have the same personal problem just like lots of women have their problems men have them too. Whatever the problem however small (no pun intended) its not right but shit happens and we move on.
 
Also, those articles aren't taking aim at men for being short.

They are very much from a sympathetic view point.
 
I get why you would take offense to being overlooked because of your height. But I'm sorry, this is not the same.
 
white_isle_calling said:
I get why you would take offense to being overlooked because of your height. But I'm sorry, this is not the same.
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Look I completely get the whole argument going on here and I completely get how big the problem is for women. All I am trying to get across is that it is not ALL just one way traffic. Certain people such as myself do have problems and suffer from anxiety for a number of personal reasons and juts because they arnt as publicly made aware they are apparently not important?
 
aregandj said:
juts because they arnt as publicly made aware they are apparently not important?
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@aregandj nobody has said this. You're playing outrage top-trumps. "How can you be outraged at x, when y is happening?"

They aren't mutually exclusive.

Both are bad. But one is considerably more of a problem than the other.
 
white_isle_calling said:
@aregandj nobody has said this. You're playing outrage top-trumps. "How can you be outraged at x, when y is happening?"


How many times are men actually pulled-up on their height in such a vulgar and bullying fashion? Very rarely I would argue. If ever.
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You said this, I'm not trying to start and argument here but you have said in that sentence and that is the exact sentence that made me go off on my own little rant because its not true. I have pretty much agreed with everything else being said!
 
The easiest way to explain it,is - as a male you have never experienced sexism. So just try and imagine that on top of the problems you already have,you had to deal with a sexist boss or work mate.. and just to top that off,that sexist work mate is earning £3000 per year more than you because of your gender..
 
I think you are talking about your own personal experiences vs. society as a whole.

I'm not for one moment suggesting you haven't been treated unfairly. My point was purely: men are not body-shamed in the same way women are.

You were unable to direct us to any articles which proved otherwise. The few you did link took a sympathetic view-point. Therefore it is not the same.

Is it shitty? Yes. But - at best - it is a red-herring in this debate.
 
The1likejose said:
The easiest way to explain it,is - as a male you have never experienced sexism. So just try and imagine that on top of the problems you already have,you had to deal with a sexist boss or work mate.. and just to top that off,that sexist work mate is earning £3000 per year more than you because of your gender..
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Yes and I completely understand that and have been agreeing with this the whole time. I was just saying that it is a problem of mine, that's all. It really didn't need to go into this much detail :spank:
 
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