The building formerly known as Space --> HÏ Ibiza

DarrenW said:
It's not being shaped by anyone other than very rich people who want to get richer.

Kids are being sold this. They aren't asking for it.
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Sorry but thats rubbish. The landscape has changed and it is more accessible to go for the VIP culture. Just look at the high street now, even my local Ritzy will sell you a bottle of Smirnoff for £50. The world has social media means people want to flash and show this off. Same with Ocean Beach. My friends and people I 'know' on facebook have changed over 10 years, but what they do has. I see less and less 'raving' photos, and more VIP culture.

It's always been around Ibiza as long as I've been there, in fact even at Pacha for Subliminal typically our last night we'd get a table for 10 and treat our manager who would pay for our trips over every summer. Same in Amnesia, as long as I remember there has been VIP in the main room above the dance floor.
 
I am a Space die hard. I will visit Hi when I come out in September because I want to see what it has to offer. I'm a 40 year old father of 2 who has been visiting Ibiza for 20 years. I've never been VIP. I'm not anti it but it just doesn't appeal. I loved Space because it brought people together to have a good time, talk shit, listen to good music etc etc. I feel that PDB has changed but changed too much in one direction. I was talking to my mates and thinking where the hell are we going to go now that Space has gone. They all said, DC10, Amnesia & possibly Priv for one of there one offs. Parts of the island do seem to be heading in the wrong direction based on VIP/Greed/Inflated Prices etc. There's still a choice to do something different and stay true to the spirit of Ibiza. Who wants to pay £2000 for a bottle of Belvedere anyway? They're all c*nts...
 
Springal said:
Sorry but thats rubbish. The landscape has changed and it is more accessible to go for the VIP culture. Just look at the high street now, even my local Ritzy will sell you a bottle of Smirnoff for £50. The world has social media means people want to flash and show this off. Same with Ocean Beach. My friends and people I 'know' on facebook have changed over 10 years, but what they do has. I see less and less 'raving' photos, and more VIP culture.

It's always been around Ibiza as long as I've been there, in fact even at Pacha for Subliminal typically our last night we'd get a table for 10 and treat our manager who would pay for our trips over every summer. Same in Amnesia, as long as I remember there has been VIP in the main room above the dance floor.
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Like every product there will be a tipping point. As popular as the VIP shit is the island can can only cope with certain numbers of people. Workers accommodation and traffic are already issues this year on the island, not to mention the crazy increase hotel prices.

With the clubs squeezing every last cent from clubbers with increase in drinks prices, smaller measures , even people who can afford it soon get tired of been ripped off.

Throw in the petty crime, pickpockets and in your face dealers and hookers that inevitably follows lots of new money and the whole thing becomes quite grubby. The mental thing is, so much of this is driven by silly f***ers who want to put up pictures on instagram or fake book pretending to be high rollers.
 
heavanisibiza said:
The mental thing is, so much of this is driven by silly f***ers who want to put up pictures on instagram or fake book pretending to be high rollers.
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The instagram brigade aren't driving the VIP scene it's been going this way for a while now. They are just a product of what the island has become over the last few years - it's the greed of the club and hotel owners that have put the island in the state it's in.
 
neilly303 said:
The instagram brigade aren't driving the VIP scene it's been going this way for a while now. They are just a product of what the island has become over the last few years - it's the greed of the club and hotel owners that have put the island in the state it's in.
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Clubbing has always been expensive in Ibiza. But it was mainly a niche thing as the majority of clubbers then had at least some interest in hearing underground music surrounded likeminded people from everywhere.

Currently Ibiza is the "in place" and social media nowadays has a big say on what's in. Do you think ocean beach or Hi would of been as popular 15 years ago??

It's become a status symbol to be hovering over a 400 Euro bottle of grey goose in some VIP area. The music could be shit and atmosphere non existent, but all people want is that picture to show they were there.
 
heavanisibiza said:
Clubbing has always been expensive in Ibiza. But it was mainly a niche thing as the majority of clubbers then had at least some interest in hearing underground music surrounded likeminded people from everywhere.

Currently Ibiza is the "in place" and social media nowadays has a big say on what's in. Do you think ocean beach or Hi would of been as popular 15 years ago??

It's become a status symbol to be hovering over a 400 Euro bottle of grey goose in some VIP area. The music could be shit and atmosphere non existent, but all people want is that picture to show they were there.
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Who's driving who here? The guy taking instagram pics or the club with the big fck off #hïibiza sign outside? :-)
 
craig72 said:
Yes day 2 on the terrace.. actually a few were drinking 200ml grey goose like long necks bought from the offi €15 a pop... smoothest vodka ever..o_O
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f*** that, smooth or not it's like a kick in the liver. Very few chemicals can resurrect from a serious vodka hangover. Is that west end? Looks like joe spoons
 
white_isle_calling said:
What sounds diabolical to us, sounds like bliss to da 'yoof!
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I don't agree with this either. And Darren's right here -

DarrenW said:
It's not being shaped by anyone other than very rich people who want to get richer.

Kids are being sold this. They aren't asking for it
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This is it in a nutshell. The youth are being sold it,they are being told this is the place to be,and be seen,look at all these beautiful people having fun,this is where it's at! Big name djs ,bottles of champers,vips all that bollocks!

When in reality it's sad,ugly,not fun,and not creative..

*spotlight,up your f***ing game. Tell it like it is,Hï's dogshit!
 
neilly303 said:
Who's driving who here? The guy taking instagram pics or the club with the big fck off #hïibiza sign outside? :)
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That's my point they make excellent bedfellows. The sign even has a hashtag sign for f*** sake.
It is clever and obviously a good business model but the island will suffer long term if this shit continues growing as it is. It's not Like the locals see the money. They get f*** all
 
Marsellus Wallace said:
Anyone in tonight for Prydz Opening? Although its by far not my music I am going to see how the club is looking like...
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I'm out there soon, and this is the only night at Hi that is an option for us. I like Prydz older productions but more recently not so sure.... But I see Andrea Oliver is in the Club room so that's more up my street musically.

There was rumours of Prydz having some 3D lightshows installed for his Hi parties, so would be interested in hearing about that.
 
DarrenW said:
Kids are being sold this. They aren't asking for it.
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You're right - they are being sold it... but they're welcoming it with open arms. Trust me, they want it. They can't get enough of it!

There's an absolute bastard of a venue in my hometown that only opens on a Saturday night 22:00-02:00. They charge £10 entry (£20 if you want access to the "exclusive" balcony) Dress code is shoes and collars. There's music (pop, chart). But nobody's dancing, the DJs are awful and the soundsystem is shit. Drinks are extortionate. Celeb guests every week.

Across the road is the same underground music venue where Nic Fanciulli & Mark Knight cut their teeth. No dress code. Reasonably priced drinks. Occasional guest appearances from the inter/national house & techno circuit. More of a drug culture.

Guess which one is banged out with a queue around the block week-in, week-out?

This is their reality. This is what clubbing is about to them. The landscape has changed. Yeah, of course you can say "they're being sold this". That is indisputable. They are being sold it. But they still love it.

Years of idolising Premiership footballers and gawping at the TOWIE ilk has fostered this shift. This is their aspiration.
They're just a product of their environment.

If you could get them to leave their phones at home, introduce them to a sweaty, underground venue with a killer sound system and a DJ who knows his beans with a deep record collection, and get them to sign a disclaimer that they won't post about it on facebook the next day, I have no doubt you'd see a lot of converts... pie in the sky, though. 'Cos it ain't gonna happen.
Times have changed.

You can call me defeatist. I won't be losing sleep over it. It's their loss as far as I'm concerned.

They'll be having the same battle with their own kids when the next cultural change happens.
 
white_isle_calling said:
They'll be having the same battle with their own kids when the next cultural change happens.
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white_isle_calling said:
You're right - they are being sold it... but they're welcoming it with open arms. Trust me, they want it. They can't get enough of it!

There's an absolute bastard of a venue in my hometown that only opens on a Saturday night 22:00-02:00. They charge £10 entry (£20 if you want access to the "exclusive" balcony) Dress code is shoes and collars. There's music (pop, chart). But nobody's dancing, the DJs are awful and the soundsystem is shit. Drinks are extortionate. Celeb guests every week.
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They say things go in cycles. I remember my very early days of clubbing in the late 80's/early '90s and you couldn't get into a club in Kent without trousers/shirt/tie and smart shoes! I wore mine to Hitman & Her and didn't feel at all out of place. Even in the mid 90's when I used to travel down to Kent from London and turned up to clubs in my 'London clubbing outfits' and the doorman called me a scruffy b*stard because I was wearing jeans, t-shirt and trainers
 
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