Teachers
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^^^^^^ What he sais
Buckley
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Johnny Vodka
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Big up the teachers. 
My mum and dad were teachers, my sis is a teacher... it's a difficult job. Don't just think of it in terms of hours but some of the little sH!t$ you'd have to teach without being able to resort to lamping them if push came to shove (and I believe it can do). All sorts of responsibilities fall on you when you work with kids, some outside getting them to learn. More respect for teachers/nurses than I do the polis.
And it's a more crucial job than designing widgets or whatever.
My mum and dad were teachers, my sis is a teacher... it's a difficult job. Don't just think of it in terms of hours but some of the little sH!t$ you'd have to teach without being able to resort to lamping them if push came to shove (and I believe it can do). All sorts of responsibilities fall on you when you work with kids, some outside getting them to learn. More respect for teachers/nurses than I do the polis.
And it's a more crucial job than designing widgets or whatever.
kimajy
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I couldn't be a teacher. The first little sh1t to give me any lip would end up in A&E
Yep - the total lack of disclipline and respect of Britain's kids (parents and society to blame on the whole), coupled with the impotence of schools and teachers to handle disruption makes the whole thing a no-go area for me too.
Not sure I'd be an "appropriate" role model for children anyway
WeLuvIbiza
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Being a teacher would be the ideal job for anyone wanting to work the season in Ibiza, tag a couple of months sick onto the nine week summer holidays, May through September sorted.
This week brought a whole raft of FB status updates from teacher "friends" and their colleagues slating their new classes.
Pearls included:
"Might as well be teaching a class of mutes" (10 yr olds BTW)
"Good luck with that lot"
"Seem like quite a dim bunch"
etc etc.
What the hell are they thinking posting comments like this?
Pearls included:
"Might as well be teaching a class of mutes" (10 yr olds BTW)
"Good luck with that lot"
"Seem like quite a dim bunch"
etc etc.
What the hell are they thinking posting comments like this?
Personally I think the teachers are just trolling us all. They know when they moan it gets everybody else's backs up!
That's what these additional "teacher training days" are that they stick on the end of 6 week break. It's basically a brain storming session where they come up with more ludicrous schemes. I can picture the scenes now:
"Back from the summer holidays for 3 days, time to call for some industrial action don't you think!"
That's what these additional "teacher training days" are that they stick on the end of 6 week break. It's basically a brain storming session where they come up with more ludicrous schemes. I can picture the scenes now:
"Back from the summer holidays for 3 days, time to call for some industrial action don't you think!"
Personally I think the teachers are just trolling us all. They know when they moan it gets everybody else's backs up!
That's what these additional "teacher training days" are that they stick on the end of 6 week break. It's basically a brain storming session where they come up with more ludicrous schemes. I can picture the scenes now:
"Back from the summer holidays for 3 days, time to call for some industrial action don't you think!"
Hahaha, maybe you're right my friend.
Buckley
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That is the correct attitude. You have it easy and you know it. No-one minds that.
You are the exception though, in a profession that is almost terminally depressed from convincing each other they are overworked, when, in fact, the opposite is true!
Exactly this!
If teachers generally were excited and even a little bit smug about their working lives i'm sure it would be good for everyone.
This whole victim complex is bollocks!
How do you interpret teachers as 'victims'?
I would love to see some of the people off here come into my classroom and say how easy it is.
I love the kids, but sometimes it really is about classroom management than anything. I've had 8 year olds purposefully sh!t on the floor, have a class where at least 40% come directly from refugee camps in Somalia, and maybe one child working at grade level. There are kids with severe needs that can't even speak properly.
But, most teachers nowadays don't even get paid throughout the holidays. In my city last year, they didn't even give out continuing contracts, so essentially you have a contract until school ends at the end of June, then you don't get paid over the summer. Then you have to wait to get a new job at the end of August. And, this year, I got one day's notice to go set up the class and get ready. So all this " 2 months holiday" is nonsense
I'm at school by 7 am, often there for at least 12 hours, and usually go in on both Saturday and Sunday. Not sure how this is a part time job!
Also, in other jobs, you get to do things, like go to the toilet when you want.
And in regards to senior schools, I think the younger you get the tougher it is! I have done junior high ( so about age 12-14) and found it far less time consuming than the younger grades, where there are so many classroom management procedures, student jobs. Kindergarten, or those who teach the youngest 5 year olds, have so much extra work to do.
I say this as someone who has worked in the non-teaching world for about 10 years... none of it even comes close to the amount of hours that I work as a teacher.
No one gets up in arms about an accountant/financial advisor/any other profession making a certain amount of money, but when teachers want a decent wage, people seem to think they should do it just for the love of the children.
I would love to see some of the people off here come into my classroom and say how easy it is.
I love the kids, but sometimes it really is about classroom management than anything. I've had 8 year olds purposefully sh!t on the floor, have a class where at least 40% come directly from refugee camps in Somalia, and maybe one child working at grade level. There are kids with severe needs that can't even speak properly.
But, most teachers nowadays don't even get paid throughout the holidays. In my city last year, they didn't even give out continuing contracts, so essentially you have a contract until school ends at the end of June, then you don't get paid over the summer. Then you have to wait to get a new job at the end of August. And, this year, I got one day's notice to go set up the class and get ready. So all this " 2 months holiday" is nonsense
I'm at school by 7 am, often there for at least 12 hours, and usually go in on both Saturday and Sunday. Not sure how this is a part time job!
Also, in other jobs, you get to do things, like go to the toilet when you want.
And in regards to senior schools, I think the younger you get the tougher it is! I have done junior high ( so about age 12-14) and found it far less time consuming than the younger grades, where there are so many classroom management procedures, student jobs. Kindergarten, or those who teach the youngest 5 year olds, have so much extra work to do.
I say this as someone who has worked in the non-teaching world for about 10 years... none of it even comes close to the amount of hours that I work as a teacher.
No one gets up in arms about an accountant/financial advisor/any other profession making a certain amount of money, but when teachers want a decent wage, people seem to think they should do it just for the love of the children.
Wilko808
Active Member
It can be hard work during term time but we get long holidays so no complaints from me at all. I think we also get really well paid when you consider that we only actually work 9 of the 12 months.
I would not argue with you though, we have got it good and any teacher that says otherwise should try a job with 20 days holiday a year and then see how they like it!
I teach A-levels too so students are on study leave from May onwards. Nice
Electronic_Liberalism
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Buckley, it sounds to me like you have some kind of deep seated grudge against teachers for some reason. That is perhaps the only explanation for some of the, frankly, uneducated nonsense I have read on this thread - mainly from you - as the majority tend to agree that teachers are hard-working, valuable members to our society. You claim you work hard yourself, yet have enough time to even reply to your own posts on this thread as you continue to 'bump' the thread up. Why? What is your real motivation? One wonders.
My mother is a teacher and a part-time job it most certainly is not. But I'm confident you know that really anyway. I'm sorry to tell you, but knowing a few teachers - or "lots" as you so accurately put it - in your football club in north London does not mean you know how hard teachers generally work. Some of your sweeping statements make me wonder whether you have completed a nationwide YouGov poll into the matter, but alas I think you are just merely jumping to wild conclusions having spoken to an extremely small cross-section of the profession. By the same token, saying "all other professionals" work an x-number of extra hours a week to try and somehow justify your argument is as stupid as it is unquantifiable. You simply do not know that.
My mother, and other teacher friends I know, are regularly in work for 7.30am and rarely get home before 4.40pm/5pm - vast majority of the time without having had a lunch. That is nine and a half hours (give or take) every day of the working week - and before the nightly marking and lesson planning even begins. That is at least another hour or two most evenings - even more when it gets to reports time. Add to that, a good four to five hours lesson planning on weekends. If a 50+ hours-a-week job is 'part-time', then I'd love to know your definition of a full-time job.
Then we have, as others have correctly said, lots of planning, preparation and training during the summer holidays which means a six week 'holiday' it is not. The same goes for half-terms, too. I know teachers, from when I was at school, who were physically reduced to tears by students in front of a whole classroom because of the abuse they had to put up with. From my mum's experience alone, she has had expensive reading glasses snatched by students, verbal abuse from both pupils and parents alike on a regular basis, and even translators drafted in for parents evenings just to be able to communicate with parents. Someone else also mentioned that being a teacher is a secure industry - again, not always true. The teaching profession is full, in this day and age, of short-term teaching contracts and thus, short-term job stability.
To make out being a teacher is a part-time job, that they have it easy, and that the vast majority are just brainwashed into thinking they work hard is just plainly wrong on every level. It is a statement which shows either complete ignorance or from the mouth of someone with a grudge to bear.
I say all this as a professional of another seriously overworked and vastly underpaid industry in the private sector. I work similar hours to the true working hours of a teacher but get paid even less. I have every reason to begrudge them their higher salary and what appears (from the outside) to be good holiday dates. But having seen firsthand the stress and actual sheer hard-work it requires, I have nothing but respect for teachers in general. Of course, there will be exceptions, but the same could be said for "all other professionals", eh Buckley...
My mother is a teacher and a part-time job it most certainly is not. But I'm confident you know that really anyway. I'm sorry to tell you, but knowing a few teachers - or "lots" as you so accurately put it - in your football club in north London does not mean you know how hard teachers generally work. Some of your sweeping statements make me wonder whether you have completed a nationwide YouGov poll into the matter, but alas I think you are just merely jumping to wild conclusions having spoken to an extremely small cross-section of the profession. By the same token, saying "all other professionals" work an x-number of extra hours a week to try and somehow justify your argument is as stupid as it is unquantifiable. You simply do not know that.
My mother, and other teacher friends I know, are regularly in work for 7.30am and rarely get home before 4.40pm/5pm - vast majority of the time without having had a lunch. That is nine and a half hours (give or take) every day of the working week - and before the nightly marking and lesson planning even begins. That is at least another hour or two most evenings - even more when it gets to reports time. Add to that, a good four to five hours lesson planning on weekends. If a 50+ hours-a-week job is 'part-time', then I'd love to know your definition of a full-time job.
Then we have, as others have correctly said, lots of planning, preparation and training during the summer holidays which means a six week 'holiday' it is not. The same goes for half-terms, too. I know teachers, from when I was at school, who were physically reduced to tears by students in front of a whole classroom because of the abuse they had to put up with. From my mum's experience alone, she has had expensive reading glasses snatched by students, verbal abuse from both pupils and parents alike on a regular basis, and even translators drafted in for parents evenings just to be able to communicate with parents. Someone else also mentioned that being a teacher is a secure industry - again, not always true. The teaching profession is full, in this day and age, of short-term teaching contracts and thus, short-term job stability.
To make out being a teacher is a part-time job, that they have it easy, and that the vast majority are just brainwashed into thinking they work hard is just plainly wrong on every level. It is a statement which shows either complete ignorance or from the mouth of someone with a grudge to bear.
I say all this as a professional of another seriously overworked and vastly underpaid industry in the private sector. I work similar hours to the true working hours of a teacher but get paid even less. I have every reason to begrudge them their higher salary and what appears (from the outside) to be good holiday dates. But having seen firsthand the stress and actual sheer hard-work it requires, I have nothing but respect for teachers in general. Of course, there will be exceptions, but the same could be said for "all other professionals", eh Buckley...
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