Teachers

Buckers - retrain as a teacher and stop projecting your job angst.

Many of us are brainwashed by the system to do jobs we hate.

If having six weeks holiday inspires you then choose that path and become a 'part timer'.

I think teaching is a proper job.

Admittedly, its effectiveness is probably diluted by bull$hit ofsted reports and curriculum box ticking but still, I have nothing but admiration for those that do it.
 
Minxy said:
Gotta say it's disappointing to read that folk really think teachers have got it easy! And if they have got it easy & are busy with facebook status's hangovers etc then personally I think they are in the wong job.

I've worked in plenty of schools & pupil referral units and it's apparent that some teachers are in the wrong job but the majority work damn hard, grafting, dedicated, committed and congruent.

apart from all the hours, time, effort, planning & marking - let's remember that they are emotionally supporting students thru thier growing years of becoming who they are in the big wide world when they leave school. They provide the bench for self worth, self belief, aspiration, ambition, inspiration, knowlege, and a thirst to experience life in all its colours and glories. Teachers shape the future of the world we live in coz kids are the future. They also for alot of kids are the saviour from thier home life situations.

Kids spend 6 or 7 hours at school every day from 4-16yrs, now That is alot of influence that teachers have upon a students life.
So yeah I think teachers deserve respect, honour and deep gratitude.
They are doing a job that most parents are not equipped for - and deserve to be paid well.

Are all those who think teachers are lazy part-timers going to home schooling thier kids so they get a 'decent education' ???!!
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NB: I don't think anyone said teachers were "lazy"

And I think it's fair game to voice opinions on teachers for the very same reasons you mention above. They are public servants who have an enormous amount of influence on children and therefore society as a whole.

Although I'm sure many are, all teachers are not automatically selfless saints but treat it like a career not a vocation. It's the same with Nursing.
 
No job angst here Rob! I like what I do and believe I'm overpaid, tbh.

People being so precious about teaching may have egged me on a bit, but my position remains the same. For comparative purposes, the guys who work for me do long unsocial hours, it's dirty work and it's vital to the health of the people in the area we cover. It's stressful because members of the public they deal with are normally having one of the worst days of their life and it's physically pretty demanding. All the reasons given for teachers not having it comparatively easy, covered off there I reckon. They get 4 weeks plus bank holidays off. Teachers get 10.

At no point have I said that teachers are lazy.
 
must... resist.. posting....

nah, I can't do it, I'm too weak :)

The first thing I'd like to say is sweeping generalisations are nearly always wrong, and can make the person who makes them look daft!! ;)

My wife is a teacher, and works more hours than anyone I know (seriously). She cannot come on to Ibiza Spotlight like I do, because she's working from the minute she enters the school at around 07.30 until she leaves at around 17.30 (often later due to meetings / plays / parents evenings / clubs/ parent grief). Most 'breaks' are spent on duty or marking or dealing with issues. In the summer, she is 'off' for about 4 weeks (I normally take 2), the rest of the time her holidays line up with mine (as in, sometimes she is not in the classroom, but she's working. If I take holiday from work, we normally go away together). She has stopped working weekends now because it nearly ruined our marriage (the fact that school never ends). So it would be fair to say she takes around 38 days holiday.

Oh, and as we don't have kids, it's bloody galling to have to pay top dollar all the time to go on holiday (no opening / closing parties for us!!)

Just to clarify further the holiday myth (lifted from the TES website):

There are no holidays specified in School Teachers Pay & Conditions document. Therefore, it could be assumed that all teachers are entitled to is the statutory minimum of 28 days.

Extraact from STP&CD 2009:


In addition to the hours a teacher is required to be available for
work under sub-paragraph 4 or sub-paragraph 6, as the case may
be, a teacher must work such reasonable additional hours as may
be necessary to enable the effective discharge of the teacher's
professional duties, including, in particular, those under paragraphs
72.1.1 and 72.1.3.
74.14 The employer must not determine how many of the additional hours
referred to in sub-paragraph 13 must be worked or when these hours must be worked.


I'm not gonna post in this thread again, because I suspect the OP was just being mischievous ;) and really there's not much point in these 'I say it's black / you say it's white' threads other than winding people up.
 
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Buckley said:
Flippant yes, uneducated no. Just as long no-one's biting, eh?
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I don't take your wind ups personal, it is a discussion with different views. If everyone had the same view what would be the point. I wounder if your point of view would change if you had to deal with the parents of your workers complaining about raises, sackings, and time off.:lol:
 
To be fair, I feel a little more "educated" from some of the threads and probably shouldn't be too flippant about what people do for a living.
 
I have read through all the posts and the only opinion I have is I couldnt even be arsed with one kid of my own never mind spending 5 days a week, however many weeks a year with a classroom of up to 36 arsey little **** so hats off to anyone who can do that job...... I certainly couldnt....










NB if I was a teacher I would bring in Phat Pants as compulsory school uniform....

Thank you
 
MARKB said:
To be fair, I feel a little more "educated" from some of the threads and probably shouldn't be too flippant about what people do for a living.
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Flippancy is the correct response to the righteous indignation at any suggestion that *gasp* teachers get a lot of holiday.
 
Buckley said:
Flippancy is the correct response to the righteous indignation at any suggestion that *gasp* teachers get a lot of holiday.
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I'm trying to bow out of this one gracefully as i've got lots of work to do, stop trying to pull me back in :lol::lol:
 
Buckley said:
No job angst here Rob! I like what I do and believe I'm overpaid, tbh.

People being so precious about teaching may have egged me on a bit, but my position remains the same. For comparative purposes, the guys who work for me do long unsocial hours, it's dirty work and it's vital to the health of the people in the area we cover. It's stressful because members of the public they deal with are normally having one of the worst days of their life and it's physically pretty demanding. All the reasons given for teachers not having it comparatively easy, covered off there I reckon. They get 4 weeks plus bank holidays off. Teachers get 10.

At no point have I said that teachers are lazy.
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I do have relatives in the UK who are teachers , but I am mainly speaking from Canadia experience, but I know it is the same elsewhere.

When students are off, teachers are not always off. For example, the school year starts here around August 30th. The schools are open around the first week of August. Most teachers are in doing things setting up the classroom mid August. I know a lot that are preparing now, so how is this part of a 10 week holiday?

Teachers are in well before the students and are in in the evenings and weekends.
 
MARKB said:
I'm trying to bow out of this one gracefully as i've got lots of work to do, stop trying to pull me back in :lol::lol:
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"Everytime I get out they keep pulling me back in"

I did a round of substitute teaching at secondary school and I'm sure I don't want to do it, maybe at University?
 
In their holidays they should be prepping for the lessons in the following year. They also have to do reports on how lessons went, how they can improve etc in their spare time. Marking work most nights, school trips, parents evenings, school shows. Weekends often spent prepping for lessons. Can't be seen out clubbing anywhere off their tree. The panic every time a picture appears on facebook.. believe me I looked into being a teacher and I decided a bit too much like hard work thankyou
 
I'm surprised that no teachers have posted on here, while chained to their computers lesson planning for September!:lol:
 
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