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Beckiboo
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Just because there maybe a few bad apples don't tar them all with the same brush. I speak from first hand experience obviously seeing how hard my mum has to work at it. Thankfully she's sem-retiring this year so can slow down a bit.
I also have a friend who's just trained to become a teacher in secondary school. Honestly I've hardly seen her the past year, she never comes out anymore, she's just always so busy with the job. No it's not something personal before the jokes come out
I could say a hell of a lot about corrupt builders and their associates but I'm sure you would rebate me on the genuine, honest, hardworking lot out there too!
Beckiboo
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Just re-read and seen this bit. I can't fathom how you work this one out?
A typical person works 35-40hrs per week (8hrs per day?), has the weekends off and gets 4, sometimes 5 weeks paid holiday per year inc bank holidays, Christmas etc etc.
A teacher (from my experience) works longer hours per day, is not allowed to take ANY time off mid-term, and gets 6 paid weeks off in the summer - but I'd say this is nearer 4-5 weeks from experience.
What's the difference in having 25 days holiday spread out over the year, or 5 weeks taken all at once in the summer?
I think the teaching profession has become quite whiny over the past few years.
Every teacher i know thinks they have a really stressful job, usually due to the kids.
Without the kids, there is no job - so stop whining!
They have as much job security as is possible nowadays, good salaries, pensions, lots of time off - regardless of marking and lesson plans!!
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I don't think they know how good they've got it.
Considering the low barriers to entry and good benefits, I'm not sure the profession always deserves the esteem it demands.
Every teacher i know thinks they have a really stressful job, usually due to the kids.
Without the kids, there is no job - so stop whining!
They have as much job security as is possible nowadays, good salaries, pensions, lots of time off - regardless of marking and lesson plans!!
.I don't think they know how good they've got it.
Considering the low barriers to entry and good benefits, I'm not sure the profession always deserves the esteem it demands.
But they also get half terms and Christmas holidays too!
But was that everyday or just the exceptions you remembered?
I don't think it's likely that he would be doing so much marking on a continual basis. 6 hours a day? plus a full day of continual lecturing?
Buckley
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Just because there maybe a few bad apples don't tar them all with the same brush. I speak from first hand experience obviously seeing how hard my mum has to work at it. Thankfully she's sem-retiring this year so can slow down a bit.
I also have a friend who's just trained to become a teacher in secondary school. Honestly I've hardly seen her the past year, she never comes out anymore, she's just always so busy with the job. No it's not something personal before the jokes come out
I could say a hell of a lot about corrupt builders and their associates but I'm sure you would rebate me on the genuine, honest, hardworking lot out there too!
Your mum and your friend are exceptions in my experience.
Must people in responsible professional positions work far more than 40 hrs per week regardless of what their contracts say and frankly 35 hrs a week is a hobby, not a job.
I wouldn't respond to defend the honour of builders - the bigguns are morally corrupt, the same as all big businesses, and-one-man bands are split 50/50 between shysters and reliable professionals.
Buckley
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I'm not saying they are bad apples, well not any more than any other profession, just that it is, in main part, an easy gig. That saying '3 more days with the brats, then 6 weeks of scuba-diving/getting mashed in Thailand etc' as a FB update, doesn't bother anyone, as long as you don't keep bleating on about how hard you work.
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Buckley
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Well obviously having first hand experience isn't enough to convince people... I'll just let everyone get on with slagging it off because they "reckon" what they think is true
No-one is slagging it off Miss Boo and I genuinely believe how hard your mum works. Most teachers don't.
I have first hand experience also. About a quarter of my football club are teachers, either at my old school (of which we are the old boys) or other local schools. My sister'-in-law' is a teacher. My cousin is the headmistress of the primary school I went to.
I'm not pontificating from a point of ignorance and I'm not slating your mum or belittling how hard she works. I'm not even criticising the actual working practices of teachers, just their awareness of how work, works. And how professional people as a whole work, which makes teachers generally (with exceptions like your mum) at the bottom of the industriousness league, not the top.
Beckiboo
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So what are you saying then, your football friends, sister in law and cousin all have "part time jobs"?
Maybe it's different for primary teachers as there's limited after school work the teachers have to do. For someone to say "3 more days with the brats" implies they're youngsters to me anyway. But I'm sure it's a lot different for secondary teachers.
I just don't like the throwaway comments about how teachers get it easy. That's like saying all builders are crooks IMO.
TBH the way some of you talk on this board you all give the impression that you all sit there in head office on a greasy leather chair, chai skinny latte in hand, ordering "the men" who are below you about. To go about saying teachers have it easy just gets right on my t1ts!
Buckley
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Because you equate criticism of your mum's profession as a whole, as criticism of your mum. Your mum isn't all teachers and her admirable industry isn't typical of her profession as a whole.
I certainly don't work in the manner I've quoted you describing. I work very, very hard, like your mum, but I get the ache at 'professionals' largely underworked, claiming otherwise.
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Buckley
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Compared to the rest of the us, yes.
Absolute crap!
I teach and have done teaching in the past, have done other jobs, and have now gone back to teaching and no job even comes close to the amount of unpaid hours I had to do as a teacher.
I don't think there was one weekend where I didn't go in and put in a full day's work in addition to getting up early and staying late every day.
I have put in way more hours as a teacher than any other job.
I'm in my mid thirties and have had other professional jobs and nothing comes even close to the amount of hours I've put in as a teacher!
When people talk about "summers off" most teachers I know go in up to a month ahead of time to get prepared for September. Most teachers I know now who are working in September have already been asked for their long term plans to be submitted to their principal/ headmaster.
In other jobs I had luxuries like going to the toilet when I needed to or taking a tea or coffee break when I wanted to. Not so in teaching!
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Based on what friends tell me, its hardest being a senior school teacher - due to the amount of abuse you get.
I thought I wanted to be a teacher but was too lazy to go to University - knew I wouldnt do much and didnt want to study anymore once I had left college - cant say I wish I had gone down that path!
The holidays do seem great though
I've taught primary and secondary and I would say that although with secondary I had kids who were bigger than me ( not hard!
) you need to be VERY organised and spend a lot of time planning and don't have 5 seconds to think when you're teaching the younger ones!I think it's very wrong for teachers to be mentioning anything about their kids/ schools in facebook status updates!!
I agree with you about teachers, but I sit on the greasy leather chair and order others about. I don't feel bad about it at all. I don't have people do anything that I have not already done.
Very true! I saw one last week which was pretty much "stuck in lessons, hungover, so guess i'll be teaching by textbook today"
Utaguara, I hope whoever ends up teaching my kids is as passionate about their profession as you are!8)