San Antonio, what can be done?

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if the experience of the mainland is anything to go by, booze restrictions just lead to a thriving black market on the street ie exploited pakistanis with carrier bags wandering around flogging cans of estrella for a euro. the mafias are wise to everything everywhere - and they know the Brits are always an enthusiastic market - and I'm not sure the authorities are that serious about cracking down on the mafias, because without the actual resources it is all just talk..
 
stephen said:
incredibly, mallorca hotel bosses are saying that the publicity about these new laws is confusing because it was not made clear that the measures related to only 3 comparitively small areas and not the entire balearic region!
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Yeah, I’ve actually paid a small deposit for two holidays. Ibiza and Majorca, both all inclusive.

Found the news articles a bit hard to decipher, so I just emailed both hotels directly. They clarified they are not in these zones and will not be effected.

So that’s a relief. I imagine a lot of people have been emailing them, or the holiday companies. Which is a fair one as it’s unclear.

If they were though I was going to change hotels, or even destination, which is easily done with a small admin charge. No way I’m paying all inclusive prices for 6 drinks a day. Would feel totally mugged off.

It’s the hotels and the local businesses that are going to be hurt here, not us. We are British, we spend our whole lives sniffing out cheap boozers ?

Just a suggestion, but maybe just maybe they could police these areas a bit better. Make it a safe environment for people to enjoy. Pickpockets, drugsellers and prostitutes still roam around with relative impunity. Total freedom of movement.

Well played Spanish politicos ?
 
AntonioGeordio said:
Yeah, I’ve actually paid a small deposit for two holidays. Ibiza and Majorca, both all inclusive.

Found the news articles a bit hard to decipher, so I just emailed both hotels directly. They clarified they are not in these zones and will not be effected.

So that’s a relief. I imagine a lot of people have been emailing them, or the holiday companies. Which is a fair one as it’s unclear.

If they were though I was going to change hotels, or even destination, which is easily done with a small admin charge. No way I’m paying all inclusive prices for 6 drinks a day. Would feel totally mugged off.

It’s the hotels and the local businesses that are going to be hurt here, not us. We are British, we spend our whole lives sniffing out cheap boozers ?

Just a suggestion, but maybe just maybe they could police these areas a bit better. Make it a safe environment for people to enjoy. Pickpockets, drugsellers and prostitutes still roam around with relative impunity. Total freedom of movement.

Well played Spanish politicos ?
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I have visions of turning up to San An and the 'where you from?' Ladies near Eden will be 'enjoying' their 20something season on the island, the lookies will be blowing up their balloons by mouth and pretending its gas, the hookers will be in formation near Highlander...but its all ok cos the british youths had to pop to Spar 30mins earlier for their cans of San Miguel ?
 
this DDI column could have been written at any time in the last 40 years, but no less valid

applying these measures in practice though...

www.diariodeibiza.es

Acabar con el turismo de borrachera

El Govern balear dio la campanada hace unos días al aprobar un decreto destinado a combatir el turismo de borrachera. Esta nueva normativa afecta a las tres áreas turísticas que, a su juicio, sufren con más intensidad el rosario de vomitonas en las aceras, las peleas y gritos a horas...
www.diariodeibiza.es www.diariodeibiza.es
 
Digital2013 said:
I have visions of turning up to San An and the 'where you from?' Ladies near Eden will be 'enjoying' their 20something season on the island, the lookies will be blowing up their balloons by mouth and pretending its gas, the hookers will be in formation near Highlander...but its all ok cos the british youths had to pop to Spar 30mins earlier for their cans of San Miguel ?
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I despise those women by Eden trapping the tourists with their stupid hand grabs, they don't give a shit and get more agressive year on year - scum of the island
 
Interesting thread.

I'm far from an expert on the Island and to be honest i've never ventured out of SA apart from Amnesia. First trip was in the mid 90s, done the stag parties and more recently I have visited the last few summers with my wife. Its going to seem like a negative post but I would still recommend that people visit as you will have a good time but in my opinion its changed over recent years and to me its loosing its appeal to me and I don't feel the need to go again. Yes i'm probably a bit old fashioned as my ideal break was to grab a drinks by the beach, do the bars up the West End then blow off a bit of steam in a club with some high tempo banging tunes. Not go to a moody grime bar or pose with a bottle of Grey Goose in this years place to be.

Agree with the OP. The West End has changed. You used to be able to get a reasonable priced drink and have a good time but my last visit they were jumping on the bandwagon of charging ridiculous prices which got my back up. Don't want to name individual bars but some of the classic places were just tatty and had lost its vibe. There is the trend for more grime/hip hop or whatever you call it and to me that's not what I think of when I think of Ibiza. Do understand that things move on though. Even when I did find a bar with club music it felt a bit slow and monotonous. Its not just a criticism of the change in genre to me the dance music was also dull. Oscar is still doing a good job down there though when he puts a trance night on.

Me probably being naive but has there always been teenage girls wondering the streets at 10am taking coke? Saw it a few times last time I was there. Not into it myself but always thought it was a party/event thing. Didnt feel right to me.

I haven't got a clue how clubs work but I see a massive gap in the market there. Would love to see Es Paradise ditch the big names/specialist nights and just stick to playing club classics or anything new that gets you on the dance floor. Charge normal/cheap prices for drinks, food and entry and get the place packed out. Start a bit earlier too. Basically a big old skool bar. They would hoover up half the West End and it would bring back something a bit special. Guessing a lot goes on behind the scenes that prevents this.

Another caveat is that these places are probably there and its just bad planning from me.

Never seen much trouble there though and although the Police/GC have never been the happiest bunch they have been fine.

Thanks for listening from an old timer still clinging onto my good old days :)
 
FelixTheHouseRat said:
Now on to the Bay, very sad to see so many shops,restaurants and bars closed down, just filthy dirty streets and empty buildings down the far end now , I don't know what the solution is to fill the space of these old closed down establishments .
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Apart from the drug dealers around the childrens playgrounds and the africans grabbing your arm, nothing needs to be done except to curb the creeping commercialisation (Cafe Mambo being allowed to 'own the beach area' and flying planes with their logo at sunset time for example).

If San An is so broken, nobody would go, the crowds I have seen in San An the past 3 years have been the biggest I have ever seen in the place. If less people want to go and take it back to '96 sized crowds then that's fine with me.

People should have seen what it was like in 1995/96, it was a real pit back then but we had fun anyway. From the mid-90s the West End has looked like it has today. What Ibiza does not need is a clinical, clean San An built into the vision of Hi! over in Bossa, it will kill whats left of the Spirit.

All i smell is an incoming power-grab of commercial interests and build bars out of glass and steel with red ropes ala Marbella. I reckon the Marbella lot would like a good clear run at San An's bars, especially the West End so they can charge 12 euro for a lager to a 40 year old in the name of 'progress'.
 
Carl-UK said:
(Cafe Mambo being allowed to 'own the beach area' and flying planes with their logo at sunset time for example).
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Is that actually an official thing now then with Mambos and the beach? I mentioned this when I went last year that the security were stopping people going on the beach unless you bought a drink from the bar....but a few people on here said all beaches were public places and this couldn't be enforced. It was a real shame to see it happening....
 
Ibizapaul said:
Is that actually an official thing now then with Mambos and the beach? I mentioned this when I went last year that the security were stopping people going on the beach unless you bought a drink from the bar....but a few people on here said all beaches were public places and this couldn't be enforced. It was a real shame to see it happening....
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One thing I noticed last summer at Mambos.

Was after sunset and it had calmed down a good bit, and the sax playing Laura lady was doing a performance/set (which was really good by the way)

We were chilling out further up and after a while decided to head back to the hotel and go past Mambo and check it out close up as we passed by.

Approaching the place I could see a multitude of black clad security blokes pretty much linked arms around the place.

Naturally we slowed down a little in order to navigate our way through the crowded path, only to be almost shoved along like cattle by these black clad stress heads.

Totally unnecessary in my opinion.

f*** knows what they would of done if my missus tried to get a selfie with the Mambo sign in the background, probs would of tasered us or something.
 
The path between their terrace and the Mambo building is public space, as is the beach. I know people take liberties with this but officially there are no private beaches in Spain. Mambo, with their high profile are not doing themselves any favours continuing to flaunt these laws.
 
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