Johnny Vodka
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Christianity has wreaked havoc with my own existence.
Well that would depend largely on whether Neanderthal agreed to be bound in servitude to Homo Sapiens doesn't it ? Otherwise might find itself on the menu and in a similar target zone to Gorilla Gorilla ... my comments are tongue-in-cheek -you have a very altruistic view of humanity !
Organized religion was surely man's own invention, was it not ? It did not fall from the heavens and alter the course of mankind as some kind of perverted evil force. It essentially a regulatory framework.
Has Science itself not been turned into a religon ? Bears many of the hallmarks to me.. not least of which being a bigoted, self-worshipping attitude and an intolerance of any who stray from the 'party line' of the day. Science may embrace a 'changing story' rather than a relatively static doctrine, but along the way JV's point bears true in the science world too - if someone doesn't co-operate, kick them out on their own (whether they turn out ot be right or wrong). The basic constituent elements of man's default social behaviour do not change much, however "intelligent" the context.. imho !
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Not at all, I think you completely miss the point. I would argue that integrating "with thy neighbour" and being generally socialble could be deemed entirely selfish ie. Why do I chose to trade with my neighbour, not steal from him and not sleep with his wife? Because ultimately it avoids conflicts > by avoiding conflict I continue to live. Its an innate survival instinct.
man is self-seeking (survival), co-operates where it's needed to aid survival ...
Well, yes, of course - where in my posts did I suggest any different. To seem to have confused my disdain for religion for libra scale of 'Man' = good, 'God' = bad. But that is a complete paradox, since 'God' = man.
For what it's worth, I am of the opinion that 99.99% of the World's problems, suffering and hardships are man-made. Not really the argument I was trying to make.
No, no, no & no.
Faith = belief without proof.
Science = is the objective understanding of our universe through trial, error and EVIDENCE!
Whilst I agree some people seem to worship science to an repressive degree, by definition they are in fact polar opposites, and should never been confused. Science should guide us as a species, not dictate us.
One of the fundamental differences between religion and science is that religion preaches evilness, but attempts to disguise it as being good, devine or holy. Whilst science can indeed be used for evil, it is clear for all to see, and can be condemned by others.
If we are to take this debate off to a tangent and down the War path, then for my two cent: war is never good. But unfortunately it is sometimes necessary.
One of the fundamental differences between religion and science is that religion preaches evilness, but attempts to disguise it as being good, devine or holy.
I cannot speak on what "Religion" preaches - I do not listen to preachers and never have. I disagree that science is "clear for all to see". Science which is open to misuse has just as often been hidden from all who might condemn it.
Someone else's order maybe - certainly not mine.
Gaddafi and Mugabe have created order on their own watches. The word is therefore meaningless.
...and I'd rather not go back hundreds of years thanks.
Christianity has wreaked havoc with my own existence. It is not, and will never be anything other than the most abhorrent, loathesome and vile institution to ever hit our shores.
Yeah well, I thought we were discussing religion's impact on society as a whole, I didn't think we were discussing Robder.
Hilariously, you've just went full circle and repeated my orginal point back to me, which is that religions are similar to dicatatorships.
Stop ranting Rob, I thought this was turning into an interesting, open discussion but you clearly just want to showboat.
And it's ****ing annoying when you trying to paint anyone who has a different point of view as "pro-Religion".
Back to the subject of marriage...great bible quote:
A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin she shall be executed.
Deuteronomy 22:13-21
Sounds perfectly fair and balanced to me.
Whereas religion: burn homosexuals because homosexuality is wrong, and the those who practice it are sinners.
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Back to the subject of marriage...great bible quote:
A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin she shall be executed.
Deuteronomy 22:13-21
Sounds perfectly fair and balanced to me.
A religion, definitely. Many religions, maybe. Not all religion. You have to qualify these things. Not really fair to tarnish them all with the same brush.As far as I'm aware, although most religions repress homosexuality, only a handful opt for this hardlined approach (!) However, lots of people seem to like subdividing & segregating people into groups, whether it be ethnicity, sexuality, or religious persuasion. Whilst I will acknowledge that each religion has varying degrees of absurdity, my main point is that all religion is absurd and therefore to differentiate does little to my argument.
What are scientology's opinions on homosexuals?Isn't David Gest a follower of Scientology? In which case I would imagine they are pretty open to it!
David Gest
Whilst I will acknowledge that each religion has varying degrees of absurdity, my main point is that all religion is absurd and therefore to differentiate does little to my argument.
Is he?