Police Presence increases?

MissJ said:
All this rubbish about invasion of civil liberties....IT"S THEIR COUNTRY!

Civil Liberties....my arse
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Very sorry, but I think that is ridiculous!

Just because a countries police are trying to eradicate drugs, it does not give their officers the right to do full body cavity searches without having a valid reason which is what has been going on.

snardy said:
female Guadia Civil officers felt the outer portions of my female friends' panties and even pushed their fingers slightly into their vaginas for anything that might have been stashed inside their vaginal cavity. the search upset my friends greatly and some of my female friends were on the verge of tears.
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The UK has gone civil liberty crazy thanx to muppets like Shami Chakrabarti and it gives the bad people of the world a big metaphorical human rights shield to hide behind. But these are not bad people, they just want to have fun and hurt no one in the process.

IMO it is sexual assault pure and simple!!!

A police force is not above the law!!!
 
Firstly, I went to Ibiza from 05th - 12th September and was actually surprised by how little police presence there was everywhere. We did Pachca WLS and Amnesia and didn't see a copper once.

This is mainly aimed at Stephen...

I don't enjoy going clubbing because it's cool, or it's the hip thing to do, I enjoy it becuase I am really passionate about music (and not just dance!) and I enjoy meeting like minded people who enjoy doing the same thing. I have no doubt in my mind that when I am older my interests will probably change the same as your's have. I don't think there's any need for you to make sarcastic remarks to the members of this board who enjoy clubbing just because you've grown out of it though? I actually enjoyed the general atmosphere on the island and sitting down at mambo's watching the sunset etc more than going out clubbing which I did not expect.

I think most of the people who have posted there opinion's on this topic have valid points, you are 100% correct that drug dealing is organised crime and in many cases will be used to fund other illegal activities including terrorism that would probably horrify many people. I don't think it is right to purvey the impression that every time you buy a pill your funding terrorism though?

I think the whole argument for the legalisation and control of the supply of recreational drugs is a good one, but you have to remember that I use them so have experienced the effects they cause. I personally would much rather go out and take a few E's than go out and get pissed out of my skull and feel like absolute sh1t the next day. Yes taking Ecstacy does damage brain cells but so does drinking alcohol? Take a warehouse full of people on E's and a warehouse full of people on beer, where do you think the fights and dodgy atmosphere will most likely end up?

The trouble is that for the majority of people, the image of someone who takes drugs is a scabby heroin addict monged on the floor in a bedsit who robs people for his next fix, or the image of Leah Betts, "If you take one pill you will die". For people who have never done it, it is really hard to understand that "hey it's not actually as bad as i thought" and that is the majority of people. Don't get me wrong, most of the people I know have done or do occasionally do drugs now and again, infact more people than not, but I think we are kidding ourselves that we are the majority. Unless there is a major change in attitudes towards those who take recreational drugs and more of an understanding that the vast majority of people who do it are otherwise law abiding professional good natured people then I don't think we will ever see drugs being legalised. It would just be political suicide!

As for the Guardia Civil being heavy handed with searches, I guess it is their country that we are in and we are breaking the law, they are pissed off with it and the other crime / incidents it is linked to and taking out their frustration on people going clubbing because they know they are likely to get results. On the other hand, surely the Guardia Civil are supposed to be trained proffesionals who can keep their cool, if that is the case then why do they think it is proffesional to treat someone like a criminal just because they are queuing to get into a club. If a Guardia Civil had cavity searched my girlfriend in a car park then I woud not let it drop, that is absolutely disgusting, no matter what country you are in. If they feel the need to give you that intense a search then they should at least take you to a police station / office and offer you the same amount of respect that you give to them while they do it.

I guess at the end of the day if you got out to Ibiza and you take drugs then technically you can't really complain, because at the end of the day you are breaking the law, whether you consider that law to be correct or not, it is the law! If you use your head and are sensible then I think you'll be fine, if you walk round in a club with 10 beans in your pocket, completely off your head and dropping infront of bouncers then you've only got yourself to blame, cavity search or not! :D :lol:
 
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i too agree with the comment, it is not a valid reason, but you also have to remember that the rules are different in different countries. Police forces are not always going to be accountable for their actions. You have to remember that when the season is on they have to ship in policemen and women from mainland spain - these policemen see this as a nice holiday and a chance to take a bit of extra cash - anyone who has been stopped and found with drugs on them will note that the cash fine i not issued with a reciept. I know this as I talked to several last season due to one reason or the other.

The over zealous searches mentioned above I think are an exception rather then the rule, but I agree they are over the top. However , I must say if a policeman were to fondle me during a search I would just accept it as a fact of life and move on with my day - However I realise that for girls this may be slightly more upsetting.
I agree with Miss J - although not quite so strongly - If spainards were to come over here and moan about a=our policing policies, most of us would be up in arms.
 
Dr Mick said:
Because it's a complete waste of resources plus excessive searches violates a commonly accepted human right - not to be stopped and harassed when one is going about one's business.

Huge amounts of the valuable time and money is spent by the police and the judicial system chasing and locking people for getting high, and less often those who deal.

It's like when homosexuality was illegal and people got busted for sucking cocks, having anal sex and other sexual practices. How ridiculous does that seem?

Prohibition is bad law. Will the "mayor alijo de Balears" (the biggest coke bust in the Balearics according to local paper Ultima Hora) make much difference?

I doubt it.

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I'm not defending them, I'm not against recreational drugs but I can't understand why people is so upset about police looking for drugs posesion in a country where drugs are not allowed. :roll:

And honestly, I can't see the relation between homosexuality and drugs
 
I thought the police presence was the lowest ever this September, I don't even recall seeing any police outside any of the clubs.
 
Exactly

Exactly Danessx.....

When anyone is a guest in a foreign land they are rightly expected to follow the laws of that country, I am not anti drugs in the least and would probably lean towards the making drugs legal side of the debate, but this doesn't deter from the simple fact that when you are on Ibiza you are subject to the laws of Spain.

If you are suspected of being in possession of illegal and controlled substances in our own country, the United Kingdom, you are liable to a search in the street and if it is deemed appropriate you may be taken to a police station at the discretion of a police officer and subjected to a full body search...and that my friends means ALL CAVITIES.

Civil Liberties do not entitle anyone to possess illegal substances on their person in a foreign land, nor in the UK...Truth is, if you don't carry you have nothing to worry about.
 
Miss J - It is not the strip search I believe people are agaisnt, it is the cavity search outside space - I am with you on this one, but as you stipulate in the UK you must be taken to a police station to be strip searched and there will be full documentation and accountability to support this so should you wish to make a complaint it would be easier. Also an officer cannooit strip search you woithout strong eveidnce that you are holidng something.
If you are strip searched outside space there is not any comeback or accountabilty on behalf of the officer involved.

Pls don't get me wrong, I agree with most of what you are saying and I think people should relax on this one, millions of clubbers go to Ibiza every year and have no problems - it's not as if our own police force are sqeaky clean and I suspect many foreigners would have issues with their behaviour.
 
Space parking, September 13th; we got stopped by the guardia going to La Troya. I was asked to empty my pockets on the roof of their car and my wife had her handbag "lightly" searched.
The guardia were doing their job with no arrogance, like in any other european country.
Maybe there wasn't any female Guardia to search my wife or coz I am 52 years old but We didn't feel any intrusion from the Guardia.
The experience is not what you expect when going out to have fun but holding drugs is illegal in Spain and everybody is warned beforehand.
Targeting users instead of the big barons and drug lords is another topic.
 
silvia said:
I'm not defending them, I'm not against recreational drugs but I can't understand why people is so upset about police looking for drugs posesion in a country where drugs are not allowed. :roll:
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I'm upset because it was unpleasant to see my girlfriend get some cop's hand up her skirt.

I'm upset because the police in Spain and elsewhere have better things to do with their time.

I'm upset because police waste touching people up outside clubs and actual crimes don't get solved and jails get filled to bursting with people who shouldn't be there.

I think more people should be upset. It's an upsetting situation.

silvia said:
And honestly, I can't see the relation between homosexuality and drugs
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Drugs are not illegal because they are dangerous. They are illegal because of a moral judgement made by those who make laws.

Laws against homosexuality were also based on moral judgements rather than determining what is in the best interests of society.

:o :o
 
I think what I have taken from this forum is that a large amount of people experience no problems entering space. I myself have been stopped many times by the Spanish police - once in possesion - and have been treated well each time. I must also say I have been on the rough end of English police treatment many times, including being hit with batons and beaten up. I believe that in any police force in the world you will find some bad policeman - and I think the Guardia are no exeption - but i do not beleive them to be a corrupt or nasty police force as a whole. My sympathies go to those who have bad experiences but I do believe they are the exeption, not the rule.
 
I think the other thing to remember is that the few occasions where the gaurdia maybe have been a bit heavy handed are far more likely to get posted / written about than the countless times when they either weren't present at all or were just searching a few people here and there.

The only police I saw in a whole week, and this includes going to Space, Pacha, Amnesia etc was 1 guardia officer getting some breakfast in San An!
 
Bombayray and Dessesx I couldn't agree more. I hear these horror stories every year before we go and the worse we've ever had in Ibiza is my b/friend getting a quick patdown by the Guardia Civil in the Space carpark 5 years ago and they were perfectly nice to us and even wished us a nice time in Space afterwards :lol: Maybe we've just been really lucky and one year it will be payback time for us 8O I do really sympathise with people who you hear about who have these horrific experiences (believe me after hearing of women being searched in their pants before we left this hols we were extra careful) but the majority of people do go over there and have the most amazing time and get up to what is essentially against the law in all/most of our home countries.
 
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me either :?

dont know wether it was anything to do with the condition i was in though:roll: :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Me too, I'm saying that and I could have been chased down the street by the police and I probably wasn't aware of it and thought they were playing a 'chase me' game 8O :lol:
 
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And honestly, I can't see the relation between homosexuality and drugs

Drugs are not illegal because they are dangerous. They are illegal because of a moral judgement made by those who make laws.

Laws against homosexuality were also based on moral judgements rather than determining what is in the best interests of society.

:o :o
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Couldn't agree more.
 
MissJ said:
If you are suspected of being in possession of illegal and controlled substances in our own country, the United Kingdom, you are liable to a search in the street and if it is deemed appropriate you may be taken to a police station at the discretion of a police officer and subjected to a full body search...and that my friends means ALL CAVITIES.
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Does that extend to PC plod donning a rubber glove outside your local nightclub and examining the contents of your jacksy / kootch? Because that is effectively what is happening.

I've been nicked and cautioned when I was young and stupid and thankfully the police who nicked me had the common sence to see that I was not Mr. Big and they didn't examine my every oriface and haul me up in front of a judge. I wish the Civil Guardia would have the same common sence.

I am sure that in the UK there would have to be "just cause" before an intrusive search took place, certain guidelines to followand and have a subsequent paper trail. Not what has been reported happening to people outside the clubs in ibiza.

MissJ said:
if you don't carry you have nothing to worry about.
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That is of course unless you are not carrying anything and are subjected to an improptue cavity search
 
I noticed a much bigger guardia civil presence this year than ever before. I think the reason you guys have such differing experiences on the subject is because they seemed to turn up and go to town on people for half an hour or so and then vanish. Or maybe they were taken away captives?
I went to WLS on the 3rd of September and didn't have any trouble getting in, although we nipped down to Bora Bora with our pass outs for a while and when they 'wrapped up' the bar, in came la guardia. At first they were just being intimidating (they are mean looking guys) and just standing around staring people down, but when i nipped to the toilet I saw them pinning people against the wall. The thing is, no-one really seemed to notice this going on, people continued dancing around as though nothing was happening. An almost funny thing though, was when my drunken girlfriend was staggering out onto the street outside Bora Bora, one of the policemen were in her way and she said, 'oi! get out of my way you ape!', to which he replied something like "sorry lady" and pranced out of the way.
A week later, my friends went to Space and got in fine, on the the way out they were grabbed by the guardia and taken away and 'vigourously' searched, apparently they wouldn't believe my friends didn't have anything on them, in all fairness they probably looked a little trollied.
We next saw them at DC10 the day after, they were pulling over every car that pulled into the car park and emptying the contents onto the floor.


I have always been of the opinion, that you have to be extra careful if you are going to break the law in a foreign country, and the above just reinforces this. the scariest thing is, what are you going to do if you are on the receiving end of any mistreatment or brutality? Most people would be too afraid to do anything and I think they know this. Drugs are illegal, everyone who takes them knows this. You know the risks and take your chances.
On a sidenote, I also saw the doorstaff at Amnesia kicking the crap out of everyone in the taxi queue for absolutely no reason at all.
I've had the best year out of 11 in Ibiza this year, but I've also seen probably more ugliness than ever too.
 
I went in early September and the police presence was minimal. A question though- why aren't the scores of 'lucky lucky' guys that line the streets of San An subject to such searches? Pay offs perhaps?
 
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