Police Presence increases?

i have a theory that if drugs were legal and their purchase was as mundane as buying 20 rothmans then most of the users of recreational drugs would be off looking for something else to set them apart from the normals. let's face it, clubbing music clothing and lifestyle is just a way of saying hey look at us cool guys we're different (and better) than everyone else and oldies don't understand us. well that's the way it was when i was young.
 
Utagaura,

Stephen,

Completely disagree. Clubbers take substances to enhance the experience...you should try it sometime:lol: :lol: ;)
 
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stephen said:
i have a theory that if drugs were legal and their purchase was as mundane as buying 20 rothmans then most of the users of recreational drugs would be off looking for something else to set them apart from the normals. let's face it, clubbing music clothing and lifestyle is just a way of saying hey look at us cool guys we're different (and better) than everyone else and oldies don't understand us. well that's the way it was when i was young.
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I don't think clubbing is about being different.... its pretty mainstream and half the music these days is played on top 40 radio.


Whether something is legal or not has nothing to do with whether I want it. Plenty of illegal things don't interest me. I don't want a gun, I don't search for kiddie porn...i dont' feel the need to steal a car.
 
Please use a bit of common sense and remember to obey the forum rules, especially this one:

No posts about how or where to get drugs....Any posts about how or where to get drugs will not be tolerated.

Think about it.

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I agree with many of the comments made by discodude, fergie and jonny68 (too many quotes!).

Although I appreciate the need for this forum to disassociate itself with illegal activities, I dislike the lack of realism and honesty that sometimes results from this. It is obvious that the majority of people who go clubbing in Ibiza indulge in some drug taking, and this is probably true of most of the people who post here on this forum. The last night I had out in Ibiza, the majority of people were clearly on drugs and the few who were not very clearly stood out.

Dance culture and drugs are inextricably linked, and Ibiza’s tourism is to a large extent reliant on drugs. It is not in the interests of Ibiza’s economy to remove drugs from the island. It is very obvious on any morning in Space that people are off their faces and that is the only reason that they are still awake and dancing. A vodka-redbull just isn’t sufficient for most people. In addition to this, most people are happy and friendly, and much less inclined to be violent than when drunk. In my trips to Ibiza, I have not yet had the misfortune of being searched (except for cameras!). I am guessing that the police crack down hard every now and then so that they are not seen to be lax; however, they are clearly not attacking the root of the problem, and for the most part appear to tolerate holiday-makers on drugs. If I were to be so intimately searched as has been described in this post, I would be incredibly upset and outraged, and would not be inclined to return to the island. I feel worried just reading about. That kind of searching cannot be justified.

I do firmly believe that drugs should be legalised, not least because it would cut out a huge chunk of crime (thereby depriving terrorists of funds, if that was indeed true), but also because it is so obvious that prohibition does not work: people have always used drugs and they always will, some not sensibly. I find it laughable that cigarettes and alcohol are legal for entirely spurious, historical reasons. In the UK, the contradiction of a paternalistic government and the huge amount of revenue that is generated by alcohol and cigarettes is uncomfortably evident. Don’t forget the new advice that the government has received about the relative harm of various drugs (mdma being ranked 18 of 20, below alcohol and tobacco).

There endeth my rant – not that I feel strongly or anything.:roll:
 
I agree with many of the comments made by discodude, fergie and jonny68 (too many quotes!).

Although I appreciate the need for this forum to disassociate itself with illegal activities, I dislike the lack of realism and honesty that sometimes results from this. It is obvious that the majority of people who go clubbing in Ibiza indulge in some drug taking, and this is probably true of most of the people who post here on this forum. The last night I had out in Ibiza, the majority of people were clearly on drugs and the few who were not very clearly stood out.

Dance culture and drugs are inextricably linked, and Ibiza’s tourism is to a large extent reliant on drugs. It is not in the interests of Ibiza’s economy to remove drugs from the island. It is very obvious on any morning in Space that people are off their faces and that is the only reason that they are still awake and dancing. A vodka-redbull just isn’t sufficient for most people. In addition to this, most people are happy and friendly, and much less inclined to be violent than when drunk. In my trips to Ibiza, I have not yet had the misfortune of being searched (except for cameras!). I am guessing that the police crack down hard every now and then so that they are not seen to be lax; however, they are clearly not attacking the root of the problem, and for the most part appear to tolerate holiday-makers on drugs. If I were to be so intimately searched as has been described in this post, I would be incredibly upset and outraged, and would not be inclined to return to the island. I feel worried just reading about. That kind of searching cannot be justified.

I do firmly believe that drugs should be legalised, not least because it would cut out a huge chunk of crime (thereby depriving terrorists of funds, if that was indeed true), but also because it is so obvious that prohibition does not work: people have always used drugs and they always will, some not sensibly. I find it laughable that cigarettes and alcohol are legal for entirely spurious, historical reasons. In the UK, the contradiction of a paternalistic government and the huge amount of revenue that is generated by alcohol and cigarettes is uncomfortably evident. Don’t forget the new advice that the government has received about the relative harm of various drugs (mdma being ranked 18 of 20, below alcohol and tobacco).

There endeth my rant – not that I feel strongly or anything.:roll:
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Agree with everything you said there:D
 
psychobabble said:
I am guessing that the police crack down hard every now and then so that they are not seen to be lax; however, they are clearly not attacking the root of the problem, and for the most part appear to tolerate holiday-makers on drugs.
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Exactly! Police do not seem to understand (?) that if they do search some clubbers at space parking lot and find 10 pills from them, that doesn't remove the drug problem. They should target and concentrate on bigger fish, smugglers and dealers who sells hundreds of pills.
 
zapa said:
Exactly! Police do not seem to understand (?) that if they do search some clubbers at space parking lot and find 10 pills from them, that doesn't remove the drug problem. They should target and concentrate on bigger fish, smugglers and dealers who sells hundreds of pills.
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I'm guessing they are targeting the small fish in a bid to send a message to the larger fish, that the gang culture will not be tolerated.
 
In my opinion most of the tourists who take for example 5 pills during their holiday are really small fish. So what if police get them caught? Nothing, they will get fine or something I don't know. But the point is that even if this one poor tourist will get caught there will be hundreds of more similar cases waiting. And seizing 5-10 pills from one tourist, it doesn't remove the prob.
 
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Trouble is tourists are not the small fish though are they?
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i take your point, i was just trying to see through the local governments eyes. They've had very bad press of late over the shootings, drugs and what not, so they must have sat down and said let's be seen doing something...just a shame that they are doing it to the wrong people and excessively.

It's quite lazy going after the small fish, but then again it's all drug related arrests, and it's statistics and figure's that matter to police forces these days...unfortunately
 
psychobabble i would just like to say i agree with everything you said there.

This year was possibly my first to do all the big clubs without any drugs in me and to be painfully honest i ran outta money for the drink and was so tired it actually ruined two big club nights for me, sounds very sad to say i was in any way reliant on drugs because i wasnt and resisted and enjoyed myself very much, but anyone who says they can get through a big club and carry on without any drugs must be some kind of olympic athlete.

Anyway enough of that, i reckon drugs on the island should be legalised because they will ALWAYS exist in a big way over there. Only problem with that would be more dealers coming on the scene and in turn more of the shoot outs because of people selling on "eachothers patch"

If the police are trying to target drugs and stop them though, they are definatly going about it a ridiculously stupid way, gettin 5 pills off a tourist is what? 25euros worth?? take them give me a warning and let me slide on into the club. If they did it properly they would go under cover style, we got to know several common dealers on the island, living and working there and they werent too backward about what they did so all it woulda took was for an undercover policeman to go seize them and there ya go, one big fish outta the water, then taht sends the message to other big fish which makes them more discreet which means less dealings.
 
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Does anybody know what the normal punishment for being caught in posession is in Ibiza?

If it is that one would recieve just a fine, then call me a cynic but im sure the guardia/ibiza/whoever aren't too unsatisfied with the extra revenue they're recieving. Their stats look good, it appears that the problem is being tackled yet the Island remains fruitfull so all the tourists can come and enjoy things how they have allways been.

Or maybe im way off???
 
fergie19 said:
Utagaura,

Stephen,

Completely disagree. Clubbers take substances to enhance the experience...you should try it sometime:lol: :lol: ;)
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well if ever an experience needed enhancing it's the clubbing one.

no wonder you take drugs.

(see how i now look like and old fuddy duddy and you look super cool)
 
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Originally Posted by fergie19
Utagaura,

Stephen,

Completely disagree. Clubbers take substances to enhance the experience...you should try it sometime:lol: :lol: ;)


well if ever an experience needed enhancing it's the clubbing one.

no wonder you take drugs.

(see how i now look like and old fuddy duddy and you look super cool)
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Stephen,

You balst us on here for not liking 'other' aspects of Ibiza but then you show a completely closed minded view of clubbing.

Ok, it may not be to your taste, but it is to millions of people around the world.
 
cazzy2000 said:
This year was possibly my first to do all the big clubs without any drugs in me and to be painfully honest i ran outta money for the drink and was so tired it actually ruined two big club nights for me, sounds very sad to say i was in any way reliant on drugs because i wasnt and resisted and enjoyed myself very much, but anyone who says they can get through a big club and carry on without any drugs must be some kind of olympic athlete.

Anyway enough of that, i reckon drugs on the island should be legalised because they will ALWAYS exist in a big way over there. Only problem with that would be more dealers coming on the scene and in turn more of the shoot outs because of people selling on "eachothers patch"
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I just wanted to say that I have a lot of respect for you for resisting the lure of drugs on your holiday. Glad to hear you had a good time too, even if you couldn't keep going for as long. And yeah, drinks prices are a massive prob...

My slightly utopian (and wholly unrealistic) view of drug legalisation involves being able to buy a good clean pill at the bar - possibly in one of several, standard strengths, thus giving the customer some choice and control over the experience. I would hope that legalisation would eliminate the need for gangs.
 
Yet again, couldn't agree more! It's never going to happen though is it.

Alcohol is legal but look what that does; people completely forget their whole night out, fall all over the place, can become rude and violent, and don't end up looking after one another.

Contrast that with taking another stimulant and I for one know what kinda crowd I'd rather be around:D
 
who suggested getting fingered isnt a breach of human rights? :lol: I'd say having another person stick a finger inside your body is pretty ott.
 
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