matt collins
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Never a truer word spoken...
Police Presence increases?
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Morbyd
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Yes, but you also implied earlier that drug users are funding terrorism... I think that's what brought about discodude's rant, and it's one of those weak anti-drug arguments you hear from time to time that I've yet to see anyone prove.
Your other, less contentious point is correct: generally, anywhere in the world, law enforcement will seek to prevent crimes where those crimes are more likely to take place. That doesn't excuse vaginal searches in a parking lot, of course, but it does explain the Guardia's activity.
I think we're missing the point here - it has went off on a tangent.
The argument is about the over the top Policing by the Guardia.
There is drug use every weekend in every city in the UK, but our Police are not entitled to such stringent searches without someone having access to the relevant support and under the necessary conditions. You can't just stick your hand inside a woman's underwear - there are certain basic human rights.
Nor can you assault a person for personal gratification as an abuse of your power.
The argument is about the over the top Policing by the Guardia.
There is drug use every weekend in every city in the UK, but our Police are not entitled to such stringent searches without someone having access to the relevant support and under the necessary conditions. You can't just stick your hand inside a woman's underwear - there are certain basic human rights.
Nor can you assault a person for personal gratification as an abuse of your power.
Taffy Raver
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Not my personal thoughts but............Why should the Guardia give a monkeys us young nutters come to the island for probably a maximum of 2 weeks once a year.......... We will keep going back because Ibiza has no other competition, which also explains the high prices etc etc.
Whats Miami like I have always wanted to give that a try?
Whats Miami like I have always wanted to give that a try?
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Morbyd
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Well, I was there for New Years a couple of years ago and I never saw police searches outside the two clubs we visited. This was during the time of the US university American Football championship too, so there were lots of university-age visitors in town.
The police were actually really quite helpful when we were the victims of a small incident. Medical personnel at the local hospital were quite rude, though!
Something about Miami didn't quite work for me, to be honest. It's nowhere close to Ibiza. That said, I'd like to visit it again someday to see if first impressions were wrong.
Taffy Raver
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Just out of interest can you elaborate on that comment (By the way I am not from the Miami tourist board or of US origin)
Morbyd
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It was the atmosphere. In an Ibiza club, I generally get positive vibes off people. In the clubs there, it was far from it. Part of it might have been the influence of my slightly paranoid missus (she'll kill me for that comment 
) but I did somewhat agree with her.
It was colossally overpriced. At least in Ibiza, when I'm paying through the nose, I know I'm in an island paradise. There, you're in a regular city and paying above the odds.
We lived in South Beach, mind you... other parts of town are cheaper but that's where all the action is so that's why they gouge you. For example, our extremely grungy hotel room in South Beach cost twice as much as our clean room with balcony, sea view and kitchenette in Playa den Bossa.
) but I did somewhat agree with her.It was colossally overpriced. At least in Ibiza, when I'm paying through the nose, I know I'm in an island paradise. There, you're in a regular city and paying above the odds.
We lived in South Beach, mind you... other parts of town are cheaper but that's where all the action is so that's why they gouge you. For example, our extremely grungy hotel room in South Beach cost twice as much as our clean room with balcony, sea view and kitchenette in Playa den Bossa.
Taffy Raver
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It was the atmosphere. In an Ibiza club, I generally get positive vibes off people. In the clubs there, it was far from it. Part of it might have been the influence of my slightly paranoid missus (she'll kill me for that comment
It was colossally overpriced. At least in Ibiza, when I'm paying through the nose, I know I'm in an island paradise. There, you're in a regular city and paying above the odds.
We lived in South Beach, mind you... other parts of town are cheaper but that's where all the action is so that's why they gouge you. For example, our extremely grungy hotel room in South Beach cost twice as much as our clean room with balcony, sea view and kitchenette in Playa den Bossa.
Really?? I wouldnt have expected it to be more expensive than Ibiza. I suppose with Ibiza you get the mix of european cultures coming together and having a good time
and sometimes they are not. the ira and eta funded their terrorist activities by organised crime.
just as a footnote maybe i should explain about my terrorist tale.
the madrid bombings which killed so many people were financed by drug dealing in ibiza. the terrorist who blew himself, other terrorists and several guardia civil agents to pieces was the same man who organised the said drug dealing on the island. hence the guardia heavy handedness here?
oh and i forgot to mention that over the last month there was a big police campaign to clean up playa den bossa after many complaints by local traders about drinking drugs and violence (mostly by spanish youths, particularly from valencia)
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It was the atmosphere. In an Ibiza club, I generally get positive vibes off people. In the clubs there, it was far from it. Part of it might have been the influence of my slightly paranoid missus (she'll kill me for that comment
It was colossally overpriced. At least in Ibiza, when I'm paying through the nose, I know I'm in an island paradise. There, you're in a regular city and paying above the odds.
We lived in South Beach, mind you... other parts of town are cheaper but that's where all the action is so that's why they gouge you. For example, our extremely grungy hotel room in South Beach cost twice as much as our clean room with balcony, sea view and kitchenette in Playa den Bossa.
wat bout dose aprts were day filmd scarface an dat chainsaw ting, wre days cttin is m8 up.
mental.
Morbyd
Moderator
Was this every comprehensively proven? I heard this in the news once, as a theory, but then the concept seemed to disappear, from the international coverage at least.
Taffy Raver
New Member
Why cant they just legalise it and wack loads of tax on it just like the British government do with cigarettes and alcohol. That way everyone is happy and the criminals/terrorists are screwed!!!
Taffy Raver
New Member
Yes our cigarettes and alcohol are heavily taxed in the UK, so why cant countries not just the UK or Spain legalise certain recreational drugs. People that way would have choice, it might even become a major source of income for some third world countries.
This would also decriminalise otherwise law abiding citizens
Taffy Raver
New Member
The same regulations (ie FDA, GMP, ISO) applied to pharmaceutical companies could be applied to companies choosing to manufacture these substances, reducing the risks further of recreational drug use.
matt collins
Active Member
Because there would be total outcry by the press and the majority of the public...
It would be political suicide..
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We were in Playa D'en Bossa for two weeks 2nd till 16th September and saw road blocks on the main strip on Three seperate afternoons/evenings.
Basically they were pulling over cars driven by younger people....usually those with more than one occupant.
The way they searched the cars...very carefully, even taking spare wheels out of carboots and making occupants empty their pockets, it would seem that drugs were probably what they were searching for.
One night we were there they chased a couple of young Spanish guys into the Raza Clubbing shop and arrested them with the assistance of the shop security guard...these guys had been pulled over on a scooter and had legged it.
According to Patrick from Bar Joy they are cracking down on pushers selling in Space by catching them before they get to the club.
We were in Playa D'en Bossa for two weeks 2nd till 16th September and saw road blocks on the main strip on Three seperate afternoons/evenings.
Basically they were pulling over cars driven by younger people....usually those with more than one occupant.
The way they searched the cars...very carefully, even taking spare wheels out of carboots and making occupants empty their pockets, it would seem that drugs were probably what they were searching for.
One night we were there they chased a couple of young Spanish guys into the Raza Clubbing shop and arrested them with the assistance of the shop security guard...these guys had been pulled over on a scooter and had legged it.
According to Patrick from Bar Joy they are cracking down on pushers selling in Space by catching them before they get to the club.
there is no way countries are ever going to start legalising MDMA or coke or any other recreational drug. As much as recreational drug users try to convince people that "e" is no worse than alcohol... or "you have more chance of dying on a peanut'... no politician... or even most members of the general public are going to be convinced. As Matt says above... it would be political suicide.
I look at the direction a lot of cities and countries are going, outlawing smoking, banning junk food from schools... why on earth would they say, "you can't buy chips, but gram of charlie is ok"
I think a lot of us who come on this website love clubbing and are used to seeing all the party favours that go with it... and think its normal and common. Sure... i think it is too..
but there are many many many more people (even the young 'fun' ones) who think its disgusting!
My ex couldn't beleive it when i told him that now and then i dabble in the occasional enhancer.... He said, " but thats just like the bad guys in Pulp Fiction".
yes i think its ridiculous... but no amount of explaining is going to convince anyone who thinks like that.
I personally have been lucky never to come into contact with the guardia and hope i never will.... i do remember my first year in Ibiza.. being in an apartment with some people i met... the police banged on the door and began shaking their sticks at the boys without even asking... just yelling and being intimidating.... they asked the 3 boys for 30 euro each for 'noise violation'... didn't even search the apartment for drugs.. the boys handed over their 30 euro and then they left. i just went out on the balcony and they left me alone.
I look at the direction a lot of cities and countries are going, outlawing smoking, banning junk food from schools... why on earth would they say, "you can't buy chips, but gram of charlie is ok"
I think a lot of us who come on this website love clubbing and are used to seeing all the party favours that go with it... and think its normal and common. Sure... i think it is too..
but there are many many many more people (even the young 'fun' ones) who think its disgusting!
My ex couldn't beleive it when i told him that now and then i dabble in the occasional enhancer.... He said, " but thats just like the bad guys in Pulp Fiction".
yes i think its ridiculous... but no amount of explaining is going to convince anyone who thinks like that.I personally have been lucky never to come into contact with the guardia and hope i never will.... i do remember my first year in Ibiza.. being in an apartment with some people i met... the police banged on the door and began shaking their sticks at the boys without even asking... just yelling and being intimidating.... they asked the 3 boys for 30 euro each for 'noise violation'... didn't even search the apartment for drugs.. the boys handed over their 30 euro and then they left. i just went out on the balcony and they left me alone.
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