Plans for a “NEW” San Antonio

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The mess in those streets were a big laugh since decades but its only now ,they took decisions :rolleyes:
Except sunsets (last one was opening 17 to meet ibz virgins) or restaurants, i have no interest for West end as the drinking crawling is not my thing & mambo strip is too much touristic

A loss of money for many bars, hush closing 3h00am? so now ibz town & westend have same shutting hours as i was surprised ibz harbor shut early: 2h30 they shut music & not in west end last years

is pdb will be affected, murphy top21 by this 3h00am?
 
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Only time will tell if its a good move. I can say without doubt that our gang would not have gone to Ibiza back in 97 if the affordable drinking places shut early as 3am. And since then between us we've probably put over 100k into the Ibiza economy. Everyone has been back the best part of twenty times (not just for the west end!) , maybe if we'd have gone to Greece in 97 they'd have gotten our money for the next twenty years.
 
The last big change in San An - to the promenade & sunset strip - utterly destroyed the vibe there (IMO), and that was supposedly an 'improvement' for tourists, so God knows what this will do... for tourists.
 
 
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Im kinda torn on this. On one hand i lament the loss of the west end as we know it, which for all its ills for most who visited and had a drink there was innocent fun and and entry level point into ibiza for many island visitors who would later go on to visit and spend money elsewhere on the island for years to come.

On the other hand its been long derided by most visitors to the island and those on the island, locals and long term residents, as being a cheap and nasty hole full of pissed up brits being a complete nuisance. You can't really blame the local people for having had enough wanting to clean it up. Would you really want the West End a few streets away from you in your own home town?
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I don't think the opening hours are the biggest issue. It is a lack of Policing attracting undesirables such as prozzys and muggers to the area.

A few rogue bars do need clamping down on, but this could be achieved by better licence enforcement not a blanket clampdown that also impacts the many well-run bars that have contributed positively to San An for years.

The West End has been popular for 30years now, you know you are getting noise. So I can't see why locals are then making noise complaints.

I can understand having a curfew on terraces and outdoor sound. But if they are making the party move indoors and making the bars invest in soundproofing what is the issue with 6am finishes?

All that is going to happen here is visitor numbers will decline and the West End starts to become derelict. I can also see the 'party' and noise will just shift to outside Eden & Es Paradis as they are going to be the only late venues.
 
better policing is one option but isn't the solution imo. the whole area has to rebrand. long overdue. I have read some intelligent posts on this thread about how gentrification wouldn't work, but I don't think updating the area necessarily means loads of poncey baristas coming in. I think it just needs to become more cosmopolitan, less British, less boozy and somewhere that feels safe. I felt uncomfortable last time not because of hookers but because of people aggressively pressuring you into their bars. That practice / all touting should be illegal. There are loads of other resorts i've been to on mainland and France, Sardinia etc that it could use as a template, which bring in diverse tourists. I think the trash end just feels very, very tired & naff in 2018 and I say good riddance to it. it's a world away from the espadrille, bohemian ibiza I relate to
 
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in terms of hookers, tat and muggers, this isn't unique to IBZ. it's happening all over Europe.

it's essentially the arse end of globalisation. would be interested to know exactly how these people arrive on the island, where they stay (10? 15? 20 in a flat?) and which mafia gangs fund the operation. (see also BCN and other tourist hubs)
 
o_O all over europe, maybe but not Paris
We don't have hookers that hang in touristic places seen by all (kids family) & even more emptying people pockets :mad:, they work in the shadows
These hookers have to be kicked of the streets, selling sex, whatever but pickpocketing :twisted:
 
Johnny Vodka said:
The building of the promenade round to Kanya. Used to have far more of a beach bar/party vibe round there, with bars like Kanya right on to the beach. Now it's all couples staring into each others eyes over dinner and cocktails.
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That's what i like about it. An escape for a quiet beer and some overpriced badly cooked paella
 
Floyd said:
That's what i like about it. An escape for a quiet beer and some overpriced badly cooked paella
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That's the thing - San An doesn't even have much nice food at the moment to attract in other sorts of customers. Stay near Figueretas and you'll get much nicer paella...
 
The worst bit for me is that stretch between Linekers and the West End. A few years ago as well as the usual women trying to rip you off/mug you, there was also this wide boy arsehole who worked for Linekers and would pretty much shout insults at you if you didn't go in. I always walk on the sand and try and dodge that section. Altering opening hours in the west end isn't going to do shit to solve issues like that.
 
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The worst bit for me is that stretch between Linekers and the West End. A few years ago as well as the usual women trying to rip you off/mug you, there was also this wide boy arsehole who worked for Linekers and would pretty much shout insults at you if you didn't go in. I always walk on the sand and try and dodge that section. Altering opening hours in the west end isn't going to do shit to solve issues like that.
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How those Women are allowed to operate 24/7 outside Eden every summer without getting nicked is a complete mystery. I cross the road to avoid them.
 
I would have thought that it would make much more sense for the consull to work with the bar owners and maybe offer incentives to encourage them to change their business model whilst simultaneously making the area a place where people would want to have a legitimate business. This 'death by a thousand cuts' method of destroying businesses helps no-one and only serves to harm the reputation of the island as a whole. As people have mentioned, San Antonio is often people's first entry into Ibiza and it only takes one person to get mugged, pick-pocketed or whatever and then whoever they were with whether in a group or a couple or whatever will tell their friends not that San Antonio was a bad place but that IBIZA is a bad place and so on and so forth. If they have a great time they'll not only come back but also they'll recommend it to others. If they have a bad time then next time they'll go elsewhere and so will their friends. If the consull is serious about changing the West End then why don't they just refuse licences when they come up for renewal? Is it because they haven't got the faintest idea what they want to do with the place in the future? I strongly suspect so. Do they plan to turn the area into a ghost town then completely re-develop it? If so, given property and rental prices on the island how on Earth is that likely to help the locals? All that is likely to do is attract more shady money to the island and funnel more money out.
 
JV there are lots of great local restaurants in west end streets & food is good (not cheap, but fair, es rebost de can prat, ), i was even surprised myself to only remember KFC :oops: & other kebap shit when goin to west end
 
FallenangelGparsons - you continue confusing the west end (a few streets) and the whole san antonio town... es rebost de can prats, for example, is not in the west end!

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Dirk Bigler said:
What bars are on the Del Mar Street?
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Hardly any: Casanova, Mar 5, what-used-to-be Sgt Peppers, ...
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four in total: mar 5, casanova (both open all year round), chicago and the old sgt peppers (which is for rent at the moment)
 
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