first season without after hours

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but edmonton has TEN times as many people as ibiza so i imagine that the number of after hours goers is like fly sh!t in the street compared with the ibiza scene?? or am i wrong?


sure, sure the rest of the year...but how many people does Ibiza have during their peak season?

I meant it more in terms of the fact that Edmonton is a boring, drab city with bunch of conservative rednecks, where its minus 3218937129739821 for most of the year
 
afterhour vs dayparty

i can´t hear this "AFTERHOURs-" nonsense anymore -
the term "afterhours" is completely misleading.

most people connect with the word "afterhours"
xtasy/other drugs/some weird fukcin out of control assclowns/etc

for many people the parties who began in the morning
where no "after"hours at all !
many people i know went straight to space after landing
(even before checking in in their hotel :-) ) or after a nice night in bed
or because the weather wasn´t so good for a day on the beach
or whatever ...

the thread should be called "first season without DAYPARTYs"
or something like that ...
(and don´t tell me there are still dayparties (= like what dc10 + space did)
@ ibiza, at 4.30pm the day is almost over).

I agree...while many people might make it an AFTER hours, plenty of people go to Matinee, We love dc10 without having gone out the night before.

i think what most people are frustrated about is why focus banning the day time parties? Many think they would *need* drugs to get them through a night of dancing where as dancing in the sunshine, many people do indulge, but I'd say there are less people on drugs at the day time parties than at the night time ones. I could be wrong.

Starting at noon would have been fine..... but yeah 4:30 is silly.
 
After hour rules

How does the laws in ibiza work? If Space made their morning parties Guestlist entry only= private party, and had their bars closed, would they be allowed to have open?
and the way to be on the guestlist could be as simple as sending a text message...
Are there any smaller private morning clubs to visit othervice???

Wouldn´t like to have my morning clubbing ruined:cry:
 
How does the laws in ibiza work? If Space made their morning parties Guestlist entry only= private party, and had their bars closed, would they be allowed to have open?
and the way to be on the guestlist could be as simple as sending a text message...
Are there any smaller private morning clubs to visit othervice???

Wouldn´t like to have my morning clubbing ruined:cry:

No they are cracking down on private parties as well. I don't think it's got anything to do with bars opening or closing. The law states that no music is to be played before 4.30pm- thus effectively forcing the clubs to close.

Does this mean that bars won't be allowed to play music too before 4.30pm? hmm
 
But if the party is private or not must have something to do with it, cause if you live in ibiza I´m sure you are allowed to have a party and play music??
But the question would be how many people can come to a private party, for the party to be considerd private??? They can´t make rules against having many new friend´s can they???
 
But if the party is private or not must have something to do with it, cause if you live in ibiza I´m sure you are allowed to have a party and play music??
But the question would be how many people can come to a private party, for the party to be considerd private??? They can´t make rules against having many new friend´s can they???

Yeah too true but iv'e heard of villas gettin busted at 9am stuff like that- they use the whole playin music thing as a get out clause to shut it down i think.
 
Kinda pisses me off in a way.Im going to Ibiza to party and want to party during the day and not always at night.So what am i gonna do during the day.I cant do the whole lay on the beach everyday till 4:30.Will the small bars and beach bars still play music? Cuz i like to drink and listen to beats during the day and just relax walk around shop then drink somemore etc.With no music ill go insane.And no i wont be forced to drink and listen to music in my apartment during my days there.
 
...Will the small bars and beach bars still play music?....

That is the question on a lot of people's minds. It's been asked quite a bit, but I don't think anyone knows yet. There seems to be a gray area there because some beach bars (like Bora Bora) have a restaurant license so they should be able to open. However, no one seems to know for sure whether or not they can turn on their sound system until after 4:30pm....

Please, anyone correct me if I'm wrong...

Also, this begs the question. What type of licenses do hotel bars have? Doesn't Es Vive have a bar that could be seen as an after hours type place? What about the Ibiza Rocks hotel? I've never been to either, but they market themselves as party hotels so I was curious if they had to follow the same closing/opening rules.....
 
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This is truly a grey zone!!!
There can´t be laws against playing music! And there can´t laws against having a private party, is it the disturbing volume of the music that´s against the law??? or the combination??? Smaller private clubs with guestlist entry should be hard to close if you ask me???
Does anyone know how this really work´s???
 
This is getting a little cheeky but what if space or one of the clubs made one of those noisless discos during the day. You know the ones where everybody has headphones and you can choose between 2 dj's playing live sets. Could this work???
 
"...
Ibiza: Is the party over?

More than half a million Brits travel to the Balearic island each year in search of round-the-clock parties. But now the head of tourism is calling for a dramatic image change, with curbs on the superstar-DJ club nights and high-rise hotels in an attempt to attract more upmarket visitors. Elizabeth Nash reports
Sunday, 6 April 2008

The Balearic island of Ibiza, long a hedonistic paradise for British clubbers
drawn by world-class DJs and a reputation for plentiful drugs,
is cleaning up its act.

Locals on the world's best-known party island have had enough of drug busts and violence among ecstasy-fuelled youngsters partying almost round the clock in vast music hangars. As summer approaches, Ibiza seeks to cast off its reputation for excess and appeal to a more prosperous, better-behaved kind of visitor.

"The clubbing scene forms only a tiny part of what the island offers,
but it's what defines us internationally, and it's damaged our image.
We intend to change all that," says Josefa Mari,
head of Ibiza's tourism and economic department.

Last year the authorities, exasperated by the activities of drug dealers inside big clubs, closed three top venues, Amnesia, Bora Bora and DC-10, for more than a month.
Clubs will still flourish, but must now limit their opening times to curb "after-hours" daytime partying.

And away from the pounding music in San Antonio and San Josep, smart new hotels at the opposite end of the island offer a smoother brand of hedonism: that of health spas and all the trappings that prosperous Europeans now expect.

"The days when we could compete with low-cost destinations are long past. We are aware we must improve the quality of our tourism, by renovating hotels, building better ones, promoting rural guest houses and cleaning up environmental damage caused by unregulated construction. We plan to reform our coastline and our nautical activities, to protect our maritime environment," Ms Mari says.

Tacky three-star hotels built 20 or 30 years ago for the mass market are being torn down, or upgraded with more luxurious and environmentally friendly operations. The plan is to encourage "responsible tourism". Three years ago the island boasted just one five-star hotel; this summer there will be six.

The more high-end approach is driven partly by hard necessity. Ibiza can no longer compete on price with low-cost destinations in Turkey, Greece and the Balkans. Further, Ibizan authorities are aware that the visitors they now favour – the likes of Penelope Cruz and Zinedine Zidane, looking for a sun-drenched luxury lifestyle, or families who want a safe, tranquil beach holiday – are critical of concrete monstrosities that have ravaged the island's beauty.

The change of heart has a political origin. The Balearics used to be fiefdom of Spain's conservative Popular Party who allowed big hotel chains and tourism developers a free rein. But a backlash among locals who felt their lives crushed by big business swept the Socialists to power: first, in the Balearics regional government; then, last May, a socialist alliance gained its first-ever victory in Ibiza. Ruling politicians in Madrid, the Balearics and Ibiza are all left wing, for the first time in Spanish history. "The tide has turned," says Ms Mari of the island's Socialist-led Pact for Change. "People rebelled against uncontrolled development that was destroying our island, and voted for a more responsible approach."

The revolt was spectacularly personified by Pere Torres, 55, a bank manager in Ibiza who entered politics in 2006 to lead a campaign against a gigantic six-lane motorway from the island's airport to the party capital San Antonio, a hop of just 25km. Mr Torres was elected a left-wing independent senator in Madrid's upper house of parliament in general elections last month. He captured the seat occupied for years by the former conservative foreign minister Abel Matutes, head of a powerful family-run tourism empire that has long dominated the Balearics.

Hundreds of houses were expropriated to build a gash of concrete across a spit of land. Tens of thousands sat down in front of the bulldozers in an unprecedented protest. The Ibiza motorway was a grotesque example of the cement plague that has blighted Spain's Mediterranean resorts in recent years. "My family house no longer exists. It's buried under asphalt," Mr Torres said of his electoral victory on 9 March. "People have lost their fear of the big companies that controlled our lives for so long." The motorway remains, but it crushed the politicians who built it. True to its relaxed reputation, Ibiza has opted for a more people-friendly development model.

Bohemian hippies first flocked to laid-back Ibiza in the 1960s, some fleeing call-up for the Vietnam War, some seeking peace, love and groovy music in the sun. Their easy-going style set the pattern for sleeping on the beach or dossing in cheap flophouses, in the days when Spain was barely developed.

Livelier British clubbers started to arrive in the late 1980s when two English DJs, Trevor Fung and Ian St Paul, opened the Project bar in San Antonio. DJs such as Paul Oakenfold and Danny Rampling were soon visiting. The number of clubs exploded with the expansion of Britain's illegal rave and ecstasy culture and venues such as Café del Mar, Eden and Es Paradís quickly won a big following, attracted by the warm weather which allowed clubbers to sleep off their come-down on the beach. Today the island remains at the vanguard of chill-out, with 500,000 Brits among the thousands of "trance tourists" visiting.

"Our disco culture continues to thrive. Clubs like Amnesia, Space and Pacha have been judged the best in the world," Ms Mari says. "But we must prevent harmful fallout from the nocturnal sector that disturbs the enjoyment of others."

Clubs must now close between 6am and 4pm.
"We don't mind people dancing all night.
But a person who stays in a club from when they arrive on Friday night
until they leave on Monday can only keep going by taking drugs," Ms Mari says.

Joan Cerda is the Ibiza-based communications chief of the Balearia ferry company that operates between the islands and mainland Spain. He says: "A more upmarket tourism won't expel the clubbing culture. That's not the intention. Ibiza has always welcomed a mixture of cultures. Today's clubbers, like yesterday's hippies, are a minority that can coexist with everyone else."

The main problem is that the island's tourist season lasts just six months.
Clubs open only for the three months in the summer.
The challenge is to prolong the season by promoting short breaks all year round.
"More Europeans visit Prague for the weekend than Ibiza, which is much nearer.
Twenty years ago, people came here for two weeks.
Now almost nobody stays two weeks.
They escape for a few days several times a year," Mr Cerda says.

New luxury spa resorts in Santa Eulalia that offer mud packs, massage and the like hope to attract not just stressed professionals but out-of-season conference tourism: seminars on climate change are already scheduled. And small, high-end hotels in the island's rugged interior are spearheading a drive towards rural tourism, offering family retreats less dependent on frenzied nights.

The perfect clientele?
Clubbers who visited the island in the first wave of rave tourism.
These now affluent fortysomethings are starting to return with their children,
preferring to stay in luxury and leave their children with the nanny
while they dip back into the party atmosphere
..."
(www.independent.co.uk/news/europe/ibiza-is-the-party-over-805249.html)
 
also from the independent - erick morillo's opinion.

erick, of course, is well qualified to speak on this subject. the multi-millionaire dj has no vested interest in any ibiza clubs and arriving by private jet, being chauffered to and from his luxury secluded villa to work and back certainly has his finger on the pulse of everyday ibicenco life and more than likely is extremely empathetic with your average hotel worker living in a crowded flat in figueretes and working all the hours god sends in our ever dwindling holiday season.


"It's bizarre and hypocritical for the government to try to force the clubbers out of Ibiza. It's going to backfire on them if they don't stop.

The partying and the clubbing have put the island on the map as a world-class destination. People think that TV show 'Ibiza Uncovered' is what it's like, but that show was the really bad side of Ibiza, and it should have been left in the dark.
Ibiza is really nothing like that. I remember when I first went to Ibiza, to play a night at Space in 1993. It was unbelievable. Dance music was everywhere. Playing in a club that started at seven in the morning, and it was still party central, was unreal to me. I decided I really wanted to come there again and again and I started playing at all the different clubs. About eight years ago I started doing my own night at Pacha on Wednesdays. In all that time I've never seen a fight on the dancefloor, not once. Dance music is not really about that. It's about going out with your mates and having a few drinks and picking up girls. It's about having fun.
Not everyone goes to Ibiza with the intention of getting completely mangled. There are plenty of people who rent a house, or a yacht. Maybe they go out once or twice; some of them don't even go out at all. They just want to be where the in-place is.
And outside of San Antonio is different again. I know that side of it now, and I've come to love it even more. It's much more than a great place to go and party.
Maybe there is some room for improvement, image-wise. But drink and drugs are a problem around the world. And OK, some people get out of hand, but people don't fight in Ibiza. Instead of demonising the clubbers who have made it what it is, you can work with the clubbing associations to take Ibiza to the next stage, keeping it affordable for people who can't go to five-star hotels but still having an influx of top-level resorts.
The key is to find a balance between the two, not to try to snuff out clubbing. Ibiza has a history of clubbing that extends back to the 1950s, and to try to cut that out is wrong. What are they going to turn it into? Mallorca? San Tropez? People already have that. Why do it in Ibiza? Ibiza's unique. I understand you have to try to develop, to try to grow, but if you go overboard you'll lose that unique flavour that makes Ibiza what it is.
Erick Morillo plays at Pacha, Ibiza, every Wednesday from June to September. He has won 'DJ' magazine awards for Best Ibiza Party, Best International Club Night, Best International DJ and Best House DJ"
 
erick, of course, is well qualified to speak on this subject. the multi-millionaire dj has no vested interest in any ibiza clubs and arriving by private jet, being chauffered to and from his luxury secluded villa to work and back certainly has his finger on the pulse of everyday ibicenco life and more than likely is extremely empathetic with your average hotel worker living in a crowded flat in figueretes and working all the hours god sends in our ever dwindling holiday season.

I'm not seeing the connection here.

How is his belief that Ibiza is special because of it's unique clubbing culture have anything to do with your point that every day ibicenco people are hard working?

As far as him being far removed from your average Ibicenco, I would say that no matter where you go in the world, tourists generally don't have "their fingers on the pulse of every day life" of the locales that they visit. Have you ever been to the Caribbean? Mexico? Thailand?

Also, are you saying that the Ibizan tourist season is dwindling due to the clubbers? Do people that go out and dance really "ruin it" for everybody else? Is dancing in the sunlight bringing down property values and scaring respectable people away?
 
it is precisely because of ibiza's unique clubbing reputation that normal people think twice about coming here - hence the length of the season shortening every year. good heavens even a review of the new seat ibiza had the headline containing 'ecstasy'

whilst for a few hipsters, hedonist island, is a perfectly acceptable description and image, for most of the rest of us it isn't.
 
Stephen, is it fair to say that you don't go to the clubs? :lol:

Seriously though, people go on vacation for a variety of things, but let's be honest about Ibiza. It is an island vacation. It is not a museum and culture vacation. Take away the partying and you're not left with much.

People go to islands (be it Ibiza, Phuket, Cozumel, etc) to sit in the sun, get drunk and have fun. When I want culture I go to Madrid or London or New York.

And really, what is the true source of the island's bad image? Is it really more from "the drugs" or from binge drinking? I get the feeling that this is the result of labelling clubbers as drug users. I don't need pills to have fun and dance. As a side note, however, I would have to agree with Erick Morillo that you don't see clubbers getting into fights. That can't be said for a lot of the idiots walking around the west end on drinking their 2 euro pints.

BTW, I'd like to point out that I enjoy walking around Dalt Villa and watching a quiet sunset on the cliffs overlooking Es Vedra. Ibiza is more than clubbing for me, but take that aspect away and I might as well go somewhere more affordable. That's just my take anyway. As I've said before, even with the changes, I'm still coming back this summer...

EDIT: I've been thinking that maybe some of us are over reacting about all of these new regulations. To be honest, I've never actually been to one of these daytime parties other than "We Love Space" and I never got there until about 3pm anyway. The government is right that I need to sleep after spending all night in Amnesia. The trouble is, I didn't need them to tell me that because I was asleep anyway! Are we just being a little too "glass is half empty" here or what?
 
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Clubs Opening earlier?

i just saw the time that pacha will open for Pure Pacha and its not midnight like it use to be but 23.00. are all the clubs going to do the same? open an hour or two earlier...

also, is DC10 going to close later? should be interesting to see some changes in opening times and closing times concerning DC10.
 
it is precisely because of ibiza's unique clubbing reputation that normal people think twice about coming here - quote]

so, do you think now that the club hours have been shortened, "normal" people are going to say, "Gee, now that the club hours have been shortened, ibiza is going to be much safer without the ecstacy -fueled trance tourists. Let's book a holiday there now!"

The 'normal' people who return year after year for a holiday.... or choose to live there permanently.........mustn't be too bothered by the club scene otherwise why would they come back year after year .... or choose to live there??
 
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i just saw the time that pacha will open for Pure Pacha and its not midnight like it use to be but 23.00
where did you see that, the myspace of some dj :?:

the myspace of dc10, for example, says that for the opening they open at 10am so you cant take the opening hours that appear on myspace too seriously.....
 
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