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MrHullMysterious said:
Yeah that's exactly the point, if you don't get where other person is coming from, shit goes sideways. But the BLM movement don't help themselves with all the "mansplaning", which talks down to you about white privilege & why you wrong not to agree with them, which is a turn off.

Instead of trying to explain their experiences and view point & engaging.

Just seems many are happy to increase tribalism and division of us and them ?‍♂️
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Yeah I can relate to this a little.
I fully support the BLM but during its peak I felt some of the messages that were doing the rounds on social media were a tad aggressive in trying to make me feel ashamed because I'm white.
Even though I don't want it, nor ever asked for it, I cannot deny that white privelege exists and that I have probably benefited from in many times (without even realising).
But should I feel ashamed of myself??
 
Johnny Vodka said:
White privilege does exist though. It can be demonstrated via numbers. It's not something you can really debate, which is why you might have to switch to 'patronising' some people (not that they'll ever concede). And black people do try and explain their experiences IME.
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Yup, not disagreeing. I just see lots of posts though basically written as such to blame white people for all the problems. So even as an educated liberal white person, they grate against me. So can only think how badly they play to the people they really need to onboard.

The way they also kinda imply white privilege is sort of universal irks me. My family where really poor. During Thatcher years by end of the week all we had for tea was jam sandwiches.

White privilege does exist but not for all white people and pushing that over and over is not going win over those white (and sometimes casually racist) people who you actually need to. (So they stop voting in racist idiots!)

Basically guess I'm saying understanding between people in society needs to increase and engage in a positive way. Less of the "you're white so you are privileged and the problem" and "you're a migrant and the problem"

I dunno. Can we just turn the world off and back on again. See if that fixes it. Works for my router ?
 
gutsy said:
Example if you think I have white privalige then my wife has it as well and she has had the same experiences and chances in life that I have. And she is mixed race as I’ve said before. So it’s probably more a class issue than anything.
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Yeah, I think there is a link between race and class. Black people are more likely to live in poverty and be ghettoised in crappy areas with more social problems. There are rich black people who will vote Tory(or Trump) because they grew up in a rich family and have experienced far fewer of the problems than a black person growing up in a grotty part of London.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Yeah, I think there is a link between race and class. Black people are more likely to live in poverty and be ghettoised in crappy areas with more social problems. There are rich black people who will vote Tory(or Trump) because they grew up in a rich family and have experienced far fewer of the problems than a black person growing up in a grotty part of London.
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Yup. As mentioned before, Hull has William wilberforce, and as such wilberforce house is now a museum & part of local school curriculum. Some of the rooms have been converted to what a slave ship would be like, sound effects and all. It's pretty grim.

The whole slave trade and the like is taught in class and so on. Turns out slave traders weren't exclusively white either.

So just like your point, it's not really race but a class/wealth problem, which fault lines typically fall along skin colour boundaries in most places. And depending on which side you fall, you are more likely to face increased or decreased resistance to doing well. In say India it's more along caste lines than skin colour typically.

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William Wilberforce - Wikipedia

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The way i see it is that a lot of mainstream people (myself included) find a lot of the 'woke' stuff really annoying however given the choice it is endlessly preferable to armed hicks with no interest in knowledge or science. The bottom line is this was a struggle between sanity and fascism and it was a no-brainer. Rest of world can heave sigh of relief (for now). Hopef things will cool down and intelligent strategies can take shape. The world needs America at its best.
 
Meanwhile in Kensington Philadelphia the fentenyl capital of America the commuters care more about the dog than they do about the girl being robbed.. I wonder do their Votes Matter ☹️
The funny thing is all the dog is trying to do is Hump lol
 
craig72 said:
Hey we're all in the IRA here now. Biden's building Bridges not Wall....
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aha build boozers, not bridges ..jeez them Philly clips are powerful, hit me watching that ..we don't live in whats considered the most upmarket town but at least the plagues or zombies here stick to their smack dens (mostly) ..that's a huge shame this day and age
 
chez said:
aha build boozers, not bridges ..jeez them Philly clips are powerful, hit me watching that ..we don't live in whats considered the most upmarket town but at least the plagues or zombies here stick to their smack dens (mostly) ..that's a huge shame this day and age
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Yeah been the dope capital for decades, but that cheap China white is causing a different plauge.. $5 bags people shooting 20-30 bags a day, videos of free samples in the morning of new batches with different names on the bags and what corner they are available at..
 
Johnny Vodka said:
I think smart people understand the context of "black lives matter" and why it doesn't mean "only black lives matter" or "white lives don't matter". For the stupid, there are plenty of simple cartoons out there to explain it. ?
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Perhaps if they had coined it Black Lives Matter [too] a lot of "confusion" could have been averted. It's all representative of the dumbing down of language that has accompanied 3-word slogans and the Twitter/Instagram era.
 
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