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Problem is if they stop it many will go under! In that 3 months last time I had 10k go out of my bank more than what came in! Not eligible for any grants! Taken an 50k loan to hopefully help over the coming years!

we cannot afford to stop again if the support is going to be the same!

I also appreciate others have had it far worse, I’m just trying to give some context from a personal point of view within the construction industry.

I get it - I'm not in construction but have taken in well under £10k in the last 12 months and not eligible for any grants. My work does not lend itself well to doing things over zoom or never meeting and I used to spend weeks away each year doing that. Having to work entirely from home means I've pretty much had to walk away from what possible work I could otherwise have taken on and there's no end in sight for that before Summer. My last realistic funds came in November 2019 so I've been raiding reserves since then. I'm now going into month 14 of outgoings way exceeding incoming funds. What scares me most is that the longer this goes on, the weaker my referral network becomes and by the time we hit Summer I may struggle to revive things at all - and by then it will have been over 18 months net cash negative. I've carried a year long drought in the last decade and survived it in a buoyant economy but this one is really tough.
 
I get it - I'm not in construction but have taken in well under £10k in the last 12 months and not eligible for any grants. My work does not lend itself well to doing things over zoom or never meeting and I used to spend weeks away each year doing that. Having to work entirely from home means I've pretty much had to walk away from what possible work I could otherwise have taken on and there's no end in sight for that before Summer. My last realistic funds came in November 2019 so I've been raiding reserves since then. I'm now going into month 14 of outgoings way exceeding incoming funds. What scares me most is that the longer this goes on, the weaker my referral network becomes and by the time we hit Summer I may struggle to revive things at all - and by then it will have been over 18 months net cash negative. I've carried a year long drought in the last decade and survived it in a buoyant economy but this one is really tough.

I have a few friends in similar situations!All I can say is I sincerely hope things improve for you soon my friend.

This shitting virus is causing so much harm in so many ways! I guess we just have to hope the vaccine is the way out ?
 
I get it - I'm not in construction but have taken in well under £10k in the last 12 months and not eligible for any grants. My work does not lend itself well to doing things over zoom or never meeting and I used to spend weeks away each year doing that. Having to work entirely from home means I've pretty much had to walk away from what possible work I could otherwise have taken on and there's no end in sight for that before Summer. My last realistic funds came in November 2019 so I've been raiding reserves since then. I'm now going into month 14 of outgoings way exceeding incoming funds. What scares me most is that the longer this goes on, the weaker my referral network becomes and by the time we hit Summer I may struggle to revive things at all - and by then it will have been over 18 months net cash negative. I've carried a year long drought in the last decade and survived it in a buoyant economy but this one is really tough.
The more sensible one has been appears to be a downfall. More complicated than that I understand
 
The more sensible one has been appears to be a downfall. More complicated than that I understand

It's a straightforward equation in my case - keep our home going and my mum safe for as long as I can carry the cost in the hope there will be a way out before the cash runs dry. After many years of self-employment / running my own solo company I learned to always carry a year's extracted reserves in hand to ride out unforeseen shocks, and this time round it looks like that'll be 18 months at least (it then takes a while to re-establish after a major downturn doesn't just happen overnight so up to 2 years).

It's a massive expectation of anyone to be that prudent and if I hadn't been we'd likely have been pushed into selling up our home of 17 years already. For so long as you have funds in the bank you can whistle as far as Government help is concerned, so yes you are expected to leave yourself on a financial cliff-edge in order to be helped. It's crazy that this country rewards recklessness and punishes prudence, but that's the way it's been for a very long time !
 
Y'all know that virologists and doctors are not that worried about those different strains right?
It's the media that has blown this out of proportions. It's being used a pandemic within a pandemic, an even worse angry brother of Covid-19...
Dutch media is saying politicians are scared because of the horrifying images we see from the UK.
It's fearporn.
 
Y'all know that virologists and doctors are not that worried about those different strains right?
It's the media that has blown this out of proportions. It's being used a pandemic within a pandemic, an even worse angry brother of Covid-19...
Dutch media is saying politicians are scared because of the horrifying images we see from the UK.
It's fearporn.
The new strains may not be more lethal but they are more contagious it seems which is a problem...more cases
 
Y'all know that virologists and doctors are not that worried about those different strains right?
It's the media that has blown this out of proportions. It's being used a pandemic within a pandemic, an even worse angry brother of Covid-19...
Dutch media is saying politicians are scared because of the horrifying images we see from the UK.
It's fearporn.

what’s the deal in Holland with pubs, bars that said pre Christmas they are opening mid January against the governments orders? Was thinking about this the other day and wondered if it had changed? Obviously the Covid situation has changed throughout the continent since this was first announced.
 
The new strains may not be more lethal but they are more contagious it seems which is a problem...more cases

I agree. I'm not denying they exist but they are not more lethal indeed. Mutations are perfectly normal. Vaccinations will keep working.
So with the current extreme measures all over the world we should be able to stop the contagious part....,because lockdowns, masks, 1.5 meter distance all work right? That's what we're told.
 
what’s the deal in Holland with pubs, bars that said pre Christmas they are opening mid January against the governments orders? Was thinking about this the other day and wondered if it had changed? Obviously the Covid situation has changed throughout the continent since this was first announced.
A unified group of pubs and bars are stillp planning to open January 19th.
Actually a restaurant already opened the other day and lots of people went to eat there. They are closed again now.
Situation here hasn't really changed, but the measures have changed and we're being scared with the "British variant" right now by our politicians so I believe a part of the unified group of pubs will not open but surely a part of them will. They are joined by a few small business too, like clothing shops and hairdressers. They do not get government support and they have spoken to the media that they will open January 19th no matter what.
The measures got extended to February 9th though, so I'm curious too. Keep you posted.
 
Even if there is a drop of 10-15% of efficacy, they are still going to work well enough. Its a bit like a yale type key, and the immune system makes antibodies for each little notch. If a few notches changes it will still work.

The more problematic thing is they are more transmissible due to higher binding to the Ace2 receptor, which means younger people (school age kids) more likely to spread it than the original variants. (Younger people have lower expression of ace2 receptors, hence previous thought kids in school was low risk of spread).

So I think schools are going to need to be shut for longer than current thinking until vulnerable and most other adults vaccinated. And then of course vaccinate kids once the trial data has been gathered for under 18s.

Otherwise it will take off with schools as the main vector between households ?‍♂️

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I agree. I'm not denying they exist but they are not more lethal indeed. Mutations are perfectly normal. Vaccinations will keep working.
So with the current extreme measures all over the world we should be able to stop the contagious part....,because lockdowns, masks, 1.5 meter distance all work right? That's what we're told.
The media, politicians or anyone here is suggesting they are more lethal or that mutations arent normal. As vaccines are proven to work that is being publicised.

Our variant is more transmissable and the worry is that previous restrictions arent enough to reduce spread to levels hospitals can cope with.

Struggling to see your point
 
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A unified group of pubs and bars are stillp planning to open January 19th.
Actually a restaurant already opened the other day and lots of people went to eat there. They are closed again now.
Situation here hasn't really changed, but the measures have changed and we're being scared with the "British variant" right now by our politicians so I believe a part of the unified group of pubs will not open but surely a part of them will. They are joined by a few small business too, like clothing shops and hairdressers. They do not get government support and they have spoken to the media that they will open January 19th no matter what.
The measures got extended to February 9th though, so I'm curious too. Keep you posted.

I really hope your country doesn't reach ~1600 people dying a day.
 
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