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FlatErik

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“As the vaccination roll-out advances, it is encouraging to have evidence-based recommendations that immunisation can slowly allow relaxation of non-pharmaceutical interventions such use of masks and physical distancing. While relaxation of the protection measures must be done gradually and based on careful assessments of the risks involved, we are confident that increased vaccination coverage will have a positive and direct impact towards returning to normal lives.” said Andrea Ammon, ECDC Director.
In the light of the available evidence, ECDC has developed scenarios where Member States can consider waiving or relaxing NPIs in meetings between two individuals, households or social bubbles:
  • When fully vaccinated individuals meet other fully vaccinated individuals, NPIs such as physical distancing and the wearing of face masks can be relaxed, including for older adults;
  • When fully vaccinated young and middle-aged adults meet unvaccinated people, NPIs such as physical distancing and wearing of face masks can be relaxed as long as no one present has a risk factor for severe disease.
So this European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control says:
Once you're vaccinated...you can stop wearing your mask and stop social distancing.


However our governments are clinging on to lockdowns for everyone.
 

Springal

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In the light of the available evidence, ECDC has developed scenarios where Member States can consider waiving or relaxing NPIs in meetings between two individuals, households or social bubbles:
  • When fully vaccinated individuals meet other fully vaccinated individuals, NPIs such as physical distancing and the wearing of face masks can be relaxed, including for older adults;
  • When fully vaccinated young and middle-aged adults meet unvaccinated people, NPIs such as physical distancing and wearing of face masks can be relaxed as long as no one present has a risk factor for severe disease.
So this European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control says:
Once you're vaccinated...you can stop wearing your mask and stop social distancing.


However our governments are clinging on to lockdowns for everyone.

That’s because you’ve only vaccinated 13% of your population 😂
 

tclubber

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Meanwhile in Germany:
There are good news (for Ibiza fans) in Germany too. Three German federal states (Bavaria, Saxony, Mecklenburg) are now allowing vaccinations with AstraZeneca for everyone, irrespective of the priority list. Hope this will be extended to the whole of Germany soon, and big thanks to scaremongers - if this holds, it will allow travel for younger folks this summer 😍
 

FlatErik

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That’s because you’ve only vaccinated 13% of your population 😂
It's not just The Netherlands that is holding on to lockdowns despite this advice. And it's not about how many people are vaccinated.
The advice says: If you're vaccinated, you can relax the measures. But please laugh all you want.
 

kimajy

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No..the media came up with the term 'long-covid' because it works as scare tactics.

No, they need a term to describe a syndrome people can follow and understand.

It's not just The Netherlands that is holding on to lockdowns despite this advice. And it's not about how many people are vaccinated.
The advice says: If you're vaccinated, you can relax the measures. But please laugh all you want.

It becomes too complicated to monitor and enforce compliance if you start giving all these exceptions. Restrictions viz not wearing masks etc. are not recommended if there's someone at higher risk of serious illness who hasn't had a vaccine. What are we going to do, have a full medical disclosure to security every time we nip in to the corner shop for a loaf of bread without a mask on in case someone in the shop has a BMI over 40 or diabetes ? Oh - that would violate our/their rights to confidentiality etc blah blah and not be fair on people who didn't want to disclose, human rights blah blah zzzzzz .... it's mostly just unworkable. That's before the discrimination bregade weigh in ....

There are good news (for Ibiza fans) in Germany too. Three German federal states (Bavaria, Saxony, Mecklenburg) are now allowing vaccinations with AstraZeneca for everyone, irrespective of the priority list. Hope this will be extended to the whole of Germany soon, and big thanks to scaremongers - if this holds, it will allow travel for younger folks this summer 😍

Get in there if they offer it ... absolute gift and even one jab is as good if not better than a J&J shot.

It should be individual choice if people wish to run the minuscule chance of a blood clot in exchange for a timely vaccination not something prevented by illogical and disproportionately cautious policy denying AZ to the young. Just get people to sign a waiver. They've done this in Latvia and Lithuania to deal with the stockpile of refused Astrazeneca vaccines the elderly crazily rejected. It's better than going to waste when UK desperately needs hoarded stock for its younger population and EU won't give any away to us and most of the world is desperate for them. No point sending vaccines out to places like Malawi with 8 weeks left 'till expiry - they just destroyed 16,000 which had gone out of date because they didn't have time to prepare the population and distribute them fully. This is a country where most of them still trust the Witch Doctor more than the hospital and a full education campaign is needed to get buy-in !
 
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2H76

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Thing is, we can look at Brazil and India and the lockdown lovers jump in with "lockdown, more lockdown" whilst you could look at Israel, Gibraltar, Portugal, UK and say "cases are low, the vaccine's winning, open up, open up".

The middle ground is to give as much liberty back to people as you safely can, not lock down because "just in case" and not open up places where covid will spread rapidly (and I don't think that's the case with hospitality) - open up safely BUT make absolute efforts to keep covid away by banning flights etc from red countries, quarantine, local testing and passporting.

Examples would be restricted capacity in pubs, sports, cinemas etc. If places can't do that because of the restricted income, then support them financially. better to pay a half-grant and be open than a full grant and be shut.

Meanwhile, get those jabs out and do whatever's necessary to get everyone in red countries vaxxed and stop this horrendous death toll. We will only truly have half a chance of normality when the whole world's adults are vaxxed; it's not good the likes of me looking at tables and saying "oh, they're doing well" when we are only as good as the worst country.
 

FlatErik

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Wasn't a scandal here...
Exactly the problem of our current society. It should have been a huge scandal.
Journalists all over the world should have asked critical questions to their own governments because I'm sure Germany is not alone in this.

A government that says: Hey academic world, we need you to lie with us, let's make a pact and make up the worst imaginable most unrealistic scenario for death toll...make it even worse...and scare our inhabitants with it so they comply to our draconic measures.

And then everybody just shrugs.
 

W_I_C

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Exactly the problem of our current society. It should have been a huge scandal.
Journalists all over the world should have asked critical questions to their own governments because I'm sure Germany is not alone in this.

A government that says: Hey academic world, we need you to lie with us, let's make a pact and make up the worst imaginable most unrealistic scenario for death toll...make it even worse...and scare our inhabitants with it so they comply to our draconic measures.
Ha. In the UK our Chief Medical Officer came on national TV with modelled figures and was pretty much mocked for being a doom monger

8 weeks later it was reality

You seem to be conveniently forgetting the first months of the pandemic when nearly all of the academics were routinely IGNORED in their warnings and led to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths

Frankly, I would be overcooking the projections now to compensate for that massive avoidable failing
 

FlatErik

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Ha. In the UK our Chief Medical Officer came on national TV with modelled figures and was pretty much mocked for being a doom monger

8 weeks later it was reality

You seem to be conveniently forgetting the first months of the pandemic when nearly all of the academics were routinely IGNORED in their warnings and led to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths

Frankly, I would be overcooking the projections now to compensate for that massive avoidable failing
Numbers presented in Germany and in The Netherlands too never became reality. Far from that actually.

And academics ignored? Perhaps in the UK. In The Netherlands the white coats rule the nation since the first press conference march 15, 2020.
 

2H76

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I'd like to know why fully vaccinated Gibraltar, after having days of no new cases, suddenly had 13. I can't find an explanation, I hope it not an old folk's home and the virus has got through the vaccine. However, if those have had the vax, been found via testing and are unsymptomatic then that's OK; but s sudden spike like that is concerning.
Hopefully it's just a reporting backlog - the daily average is still close to zero, ther hasn't been a death for over a month.
 
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