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FlatErik said:
Twaddle? Sure.

I already posted an article last week about this from another source going from 70% more contagious to 30% and now to 11% more contagious, but now The Lancet is also concluding that the difference is not noteworthy.
www.thelancet.com

Changes in symptomatology, reinfection, and transmissibility associated with the SARS-CoV-2 variant B.1.1.7: an ecological study

The lack of change in symptoms identified in this study indicates that existing testing and surveillance infrastructure do not need to change specifically for the B.1.1.7 variant. In addition, given that there was no apparent increase in the reinfection rate, vaccines are likely to remain...
www.thelancet.com
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but there was no evidence that the frequency of reinfections was higher for the B.1.1.7 variant than for pre-existing variants

Study about new variant able to reinfect people who've had "original" strains. I.e. does it escape previous immunity from infection/vaccine.

Not about how fast it spreads in people with no immunity.

Unless of course it's me who is reading it's meaning completely wrong 😁

Ps this is good news as means current vaccines will work against it.
 
MrHullMysterious said:
but there was no evidence that the frequency of reinfections was higher for the B.1.1.7 variant than for pre-existing variants

Study about new variant able to reinfect people who've had "original" strains. I.e. does it escape previous immunity from infection/vaccine.

Not about how fast it spreads in people with no immunity.

Unless of course it's me who is reading it's meaning completely wrong 😁

Ps this is good news as means current vaccines will work against it.
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That was the goal of the research yeah. But it holds conclusions about a few more things.
There's more to be found on the transmissibility of the UK variant....all pointing into the direction the higher infection rate was exaggerated.
Anyway, I was talking about how the media spread fear with the UK variants in The Netherlands, where it was presented as "a pandemic within a pandemic". 🤔
 
FlatErik said:
Twaddle? Sure.

I already posted an article last week about this from another source going from 70% more contagious to 30% and now to 11% more contagious, but now The Lancet is also concluding that the difference is not noteworthy.
www.thelancet.com

Changes in symptomatology, reinfection, and transmissibility associated with the SARS-CoV-2 variant B.1.1.7: an ecological study

The lack of change in symptoms identified in this study indicates that existing testing and surveillance infrastructure do not need to change specifically for the B.1.1.7 variant. In addition, given that there was no apparent increase in the reinfection rate, vaccines are likely to remain...
www.thelancet.com
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It actually says "Our results add to the emerging consensus that the B.1.1.7 variant has increased transmissibility"

Mate, you cannot possibly believe that the UK variant is less transmissible than the original. There is absolutely zero doubt in scientists' minds this is the case, they are simply struggling to work out what aspect of the mutation is actually causing that. What hocus pocus reason can you put forward for this variant becoming dominant over others first in UK then in USA ?

This aspect supports greater restrictions on behaviour of citizens to curb it. Even areas of the world which got off easy first time round are getting hammered this time as this variant becomes dominant elsewhere in places less severe restrictions were in force. It's simple arithmetic mate. Not trying to be condescending but really, it takes no more than common sense and observation to establish something this basic. The only thing other than vaccinations and prior infection stopping it is behavioural change. The virus is not losing virulence quite yet, so that's not an exit route from policy either.
 
The NY times had nice article showing graphs of % of variants in eu countries. UK variant basically become dominant.

www.nytimes.com

Rise of Variants in Europe Shows How Dangerous the Virus Can Be (Published 2021)

Much of the continent is experiencing a wave of outbreaks driven by the B.1.1.7 variant, which ravaged Britain this winter.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Unfortunately I've used up my 1 per day views so couldn't screenshot 😂

The b117 variant seems to encode more for a protein that helps it evade immune system -> replicate more -> more infectious. (Current theory)

m.economictimes.com

New findings may shed light on why the UK variant of COVID-19 is more infectious

The B.1.1.7 variant of SARS-CoV-2 was discovered in Kent, UK in December 2020, and has since spread across the globe, contributing to the increase in cases being seen in Europe and Britain's own second wave of the pandemic earlier in the year, Shefield University said in a press release on Friday.
m.economictimes.com m.economictimes.com


Edit managed to get screenshot before subscribe popup 😁. Red is b117 as % of infections over time
 

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kimajy said:
It actually says "Our results add to the emerging consensus that the B.1.1.7 variant has increased transmissibility"

Mate, you cannot possibly believe that the UK variant is less transmissible than the original. There is absolutely zero doubt in scientists' minds this is the case, they are simply struggling to work out what aspect of the mutation is actually causing that. What hocus pocus reason can you put forward for this variant becoming dominant over others first in UK then in USA ?

This aspect supports greater restrictions on behaviour of citizens to curb it. Even areas of the world which got off easy first time round are getting hammered this time as this variant becomes dominant elsewhere in places less severe restrictions were in force. It's simple arithmetic mate. Not trying to be condescending but really, it takes no more than common sense and observation to establish something this basic. The only thing other than vaccinations and prior infection stopping it is behavioural change. The virus is not losing virulence quite yet, so that's not an exit route from policy either.
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I'm staying out of this but....
A virologist who was doing a study covid in London November and December by (mis)fortune ended up studying the Kent variant. Strongly believes it causes higher viral load in upper respiratory tract increasing causing increased transmitabiliaty by a significant degree

Jusr sharing, past caring x
 

Pedro Sánchez prevé levantar el estado de alarma sin un plan alternativo como le exige la oposición

EFE / El presidente del Gobierno, Pedro Sánchez, ha ratificado este miércoles ante el pleno del Congreso su intención de poner fin el próximo 9 de mayo al estado de alarma decretado ante la pandemia de coronavirus y sin necesidad de aprobar un plan alternativo como le ha exigido la oposición...
www.noudiari.es www.noudiari.es

I plead ignorance, as I am not sure how Spanish government works (especially so in the context of emergency powers). Does this mean that all (mask, distancing, etc.) orders are lifted on May 9th? Can the legislature or local governments implement their own measures?
 
CasaNegron said:

Pedro Sánchez prevé levantar el estado de alarma sin un plan alternativo como le exige la oposición

EFE / El presidente del Gobierno, Pedro Sánchez, ha ratificado este miércoles ante el pleno del Congreso su intención de poner fin el próximo 9 de mayo al estado de alarma decretado ante la pandemia de coronavirus y sin necesidad de aprobar un plan alternativo como le ha exigido la oposición...
www.noudiari.es www.noudiari.es

I plead ignorance, as I am not sure how Spanish government works (especially so in the context of emergency powers). Does this mean that all (mask, distancing, etc.) orders are lifted on May 9th? Can the legislature or local governments implement their own measures?
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no. a lot of restrictions will be kept up by the regional governments.
 
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