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soha said:
What is it exactly you are claiming?
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I'm saying the wording from the Health Secretary and Sage is that. We need biweekly testing to get things back to normal.

Hang on minute. It was all about the vaccine for the past 3 months...

Masks, vaccines, biweekly testing, social distancing.......

People only want to buy a pint at a bar and go to the gym.....

I think most would except international travel may have to hold off given the state of Europe and beyond(insert brexit thread here)

But the data as Boris likes to put it. Doesn't suggest everyone has to have a biweekly test to sit in a pub garden. On top of a vaccine. On top of a mask. On top of not going near another person.....

My problem is everytime you think the government has a plan and it looks like it's going well. They change course and demand more.....

Don't forget I've had the jab. So I'm not anti vax.
 
kimajy said:
Twice weekly testing should be mandatory for all unvaccinated UK citizens not voluntary. The people most likely to spread the disease are the same people who won't use the tests. Whole idea is fantasy as far as outcomes and it's clear UK won't be able to get hold of enough vaccines for several months to counter the balance of risk exposures in younger people. You can't impose vaccine passport / testing obligations without people having the means to access vaccines or tests. Hence the tests now being promoted in the absence of imminent vaccine options.

Refusing to prioritize teachers for vaccination has led to them being the second highest group of workers in the UK suffering long covid sufficiently bad to affect their ability to work ... you expect this sort of % in NHS workers due to extent of their exposure to the virus and the length of time it took to get a vaccine programme underway >>

www.theguardian.com

Strain on NHS as tens of thousands of staff suffer long Covid

ONS says at least 122,000 health service workers have condition, threatening patient care
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I understand the logic. But this isn't how it's being communicated.

If this is the case. Then anyone NOT vaccinated is to be offered biweekly testing.

That would make more sense.
 
Was it actually Bicep playing the boat gathering yest in Hackney Wick? Can't make out if it's just someone on the dex playing their tunes on the waterside or them.. either way looks like London is feeling enough is enough was loads of heads there (sorry if already been posted)
 
spinksy123 said:
I understand the logic. But this isn't how it's being communicated.

If this is the case. Then anyone NOT vaccinated is to be offered biweekly testing.

That would make more sense.
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Too difficult to administer and they haven't sorted out the IT/system yet, so they're just offering to everyone because they can.... and so people remember being vaccinated doesn't guarantee that you won't catch Covid (especially variants). Remember the crazy long 12 week wait between vaccines in UK and a further 2 weeks after second dose before you're deemed "eligible vaccinated" for example for travel to Greece from Israel. As things open up in May we really won't be THAT far advanced into vaccinations for them to give eligibility to many for much and therefore an interim alternative has to be available for the majority stuck in the middle of the process or yet to be offered a jab.

Government clearly sees twice a week testing as the way forward. Personally, I doubt many will agree especially as you can't use any of those tests to underpin international travel and still have to pay privately !!
 
spinksy123 said:
Everyone who's been suspicious of this Government has been labelled a Covid nut job......Slowly but surely the number of covid nut jobs is growing. Goal posts constantly moved......
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You’re missing the point completely. The tests are for people who can’t / won’t have had a vaccine yet, so things can start to open up. Same with kids in school at the moment.

if you’re under 40 it’s likely you won’t have had both jabs until September, so surely something that allows us to open up for everyone makes sense? Or would you prefer only the over 80s/90s who will have been vaccinated twice by summer to be able to go to nightclubs or on holiday
 
Springal said:
You’re missing the point completely. The tests are for people who can’t / won’t have had a vaccine yet, so things can start to open up. Same with kids in school at the moment.

if you’re under 40 it’s likely you won’t have had both jabs until September, so surely something that allows us to open up for everyone makes sense? Or would you prefer only the over 80s/90s who will have been vaccinated twice by summer to be able to go to nightclubs or on holiday
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So send test kits to under 40's who haven't been offered the vaccine. Not every house. Surely you'd look to save money where possible given national debt.....


Also. What makes you think 20 year olds are going to genuinely administer their own test with the swab rammed their own nose? They'll use someone else if they do it at all and upload results(if that's the way it's done. Being reported as)

The system sounds like it could be open to real abuse.


And another point. Will anyone be allowed in any nightclub anytime soon? I really wouldn't be surprised if they come up with another hurdle or two before them days come around again. We'll all be too bloody old to care by then...
 
spinksy123 said:
So send test kits to under 40's who haven't been offered the vaccine. Not every house. Surely you'd look to save money where possible given national debt.....


Also. What makes you think 20 year olds are going to genuinely administer their own test with the swab rammed their own nose? They'll use someone else if they do it at all and upload results(if that's the way it's done. Being reported as)

The system sounds like it could be open to real abuse.


And another point. Will anyone be allowed in any nightclub anytime soon? I really wouldn't be surprised if they come up with another hurdle or two before them days come around again. We'll all be too bloody old to care by then...
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I thought it was test kits available for peeps to pick up at pharmacies or order them through post. Not seen it said will be mailed to households without been requested first?

Maybe they've already paid for 100s millions of them and like, shit, let's think up uses for them so we don't seem stupid 😆

Guess find out more at 5pm

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Tests to be offered twice-weekly to all in England

The rapid tests are being made available for free, ahead of the next stage of lockdown easing.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

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MrHullMysterious said:
I thought it was test kits available for peeps to pick up at pharmacies or order them through post. Not seen it said will be mailed to households without been requested first?

Maybe they've already paid for 100s millions of them and like, shit, let's think up uses for them so we don't seem stupid 😆

Guess find out more at 5pm

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Tests to be offered twice-weekly to all in England

The rapid tests are being made available for free, ahead of the next stage of lockdown easing.
www.bbc.co.uk
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And when most households don't take the offer(you can get via mail), then that'll be used as an excuse for more delays and changing of criteria.

You wait. There will be YouTube videos popping up all over the place of people swabbing their pets arsehole and getting a positive result back....

Just stick to original plan and carry on with the vaccine roll out......
 
spinksy123 said:
Also. What makes you think 20 year olds are going to genuinely administer their own test with the swab rammed their own nose? They'll use someone else if they do it at all and upload results(if that's the way it's done. Being reported as)

The system sounds like it could be open to real abuse.
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So Mimsie's arranged Tiffany's hen do and ALL her friends SIMPLY HAVE to be there daahling - Guinea pig Tash's lat flow test comes back negative so she does samples for the whole group. Snorts so much blow she's lost all feeling in her nostrils anyway and really doesn't care. All their apps show good to go. Rah !
 
spinksy123 said:
Just stick to original plan and carry on with the vaccine roll out......
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I think if they could they would .... the supply interruption from the EU and India's political response means it's no longer feasible to get everyone done by Summer ahead of schedule. So here we go with the back-up plan that's going to blow billions and fall way short of the target. My feeling - if you get any chance you can just take the vaccine ASAP and get yourself a way out of the whole sorry mess, at least for a few months over the Summer. Because the younger crowd are going to be out there flouting the guidelines and fiddling testing on a grand scale, and this is only going to end up going one way by September.
 
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spinksy123 said:
Just stick to original plan and carry on with the vaccine roll out......
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We are. But we can’t afford to keep the economy shut and funded for another 6 months.
And there is already government nightclub test events based on rapid testing planned end of this month.

not everyone will test at home, I know of people working in scaling up of test centres which are offering PCR tests at the moment to be trained on LFT so I guess that is the plan

struggling to see how anyone sees the negatives in this 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
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spinksy123 said:
Maybe it's their wording that's infuriated me. Tests and freedom.

I've had the virus. Had my first jab like a good little boy. Will have the 2nd obviously.

Don't start spouting about biweekly tests and freedoms.

Maybe I'm beginning to crack😄😄
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My understanding is if you’ve had both vaccine jabs, then you probably won’t need tests for most things because it’ll be linked in to the NHS app.

but those who haven’t will need a registered negative LFT test in the app.

all will be revealed in 30mins I guess
 
If you are under 50 and get covid - odds are stacked in your favour that you'll be OK (long covid could be an issue)
If you are over 50 then you should at least have had one jab and on your way to the second, so the odds are stacked in your favour that you'll be OK.
So not sure what these tests will prove - and they won't be done properly anyway as alluded to above. Far better to have the test downprofessionally before you enter a big venue?
Of course here we have vaccinated over half the adult population > if you were in Spain or Germany maybe this testing is the way forward for now?

Anyway here in the UK we're half an hour away from being no nearer about our summer holidays. Any decent bars in Southend??
 
spinksy123 said:
Maybe it's their wording that's infuriated me. Tests and freedom.

I've had the virus. Had my first jab like a good little boy. Will have the 2nd obviously.

Don't start spouting about biweekly tests and freedoms.

Maybe I'm beginning to crack😄😄
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You'll almost certainly be exempt mate - this is a strategy to address the imminent failure to get enough people jabbed by the lifting of lockdown and how those unjabbed people can be given access to the same opportunities as jabbed people.
 
www.chronicle.gi

Gibraltar records two weeks without Covid cases in hospital or ERS

Gibraltar has recorded two weeks with no hospitalised cases of Covid-19. The news comes against the backdrop of a major vaccine rollout programme that has so far seen 60,907 jabs of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine administered. A total of 32,293 pe...
www.chronicle.gi www.chronicle.gi

Think 100% of the adult population are vaxxed. Still early days, but better than new cases ending up in hospital.
 
Or maybe because there is pushback from vaccine certificate to prove had vaccine for domestic use, the only alternative is these lateral flow tests for events in the uk?

So certs would "solve" problem in near to medium term for domestic events, but it's not going to get through parliament. 🤷‍♂️

(Probs would get through for international travel)
 
MrHullMysterious said:
Or maybe because there is pushback from vaccine certificate to prove had vaccine for domestic use, the only alternative is these lateral flow tests for events in the uk?
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They are box-ticking bullsh*t to be seen to be doing something. Innova lat flow tests pick up less than half of all positive cases and throw up a load of false positives. To use these as a screening solution is nothing more than flannel and shouldn't give anyone comfort over the genuine likelihood of safely attending events. Let's see what Boris has to say - honestly reckon his horizon of primary interest stretches no further than the G7 in Cornwall in June and then they'll start thinking about Summer and its consequences later.
 
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