Agree with you but I don't see the point in domestic vaccine passports whilst many are not vaccinated. I don't even see it being enforced in reality, much like track and trace as you said.
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Totally agree with travel, its the domestic passports that are being discussed Im struggling with.
2H76
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I see where you are coming from - but if it was a case of we have to have those certificates to get inside a bar or club; or the alternative was no bar/club at all, I'd take the former crawling on my knees. And for those who haven't yet had the vax, all that's needed is a recent negative test - and chances are that clubs might end up doing that at the door anyway and you have to wait 15 mins for the result?
One addition - there's a couple of places I regularly attend where I'd feel far more comfortable knowing everyone was vaxxed or covid-clear. I went to them last summer and felt uncomfortable and really didn't enjoy myself; I could imagine many having the same feelings visiting, say, a basement club/venue gig where you have 40/50 in a very enclosed space.
Maybe there IS a case for passport in certain locations where ventilation and spacing is practically impossible and people are expected to be extremely close together?
The Sun God
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U.S. Travel: Reports That Biden Will Lift EU, U.K. Travel Ban By Mid May
Biden's administration is reportedly aiming to revoke EU, U.K. and Brazil travel bans, as well as relaxing the Mexican and Canadian border, by mid May.
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this is the big one for us as my gf hasn't seen her folks in LA for over a year
Are you able to fly anywhere at the moment CN?a pal of mine here is flying back home to England this week to get his first jab but for me that would be a massive problem as not on the NHS nor would I know where to stay or how long for. Those of you in Spain, are you all getting done by the state health and is anyone eligible even if not registered? Another option is to go private - am guessing that could be months off though.
cunninghamali
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Yes that can be annoying and no one likes change, it is our new normal and we now have to do really annoying things to live a relatively semi-normal life now. No one likes to be told what to do and I think a part of the backlash is from that.
I would rather be in a crowded place having that extra comfort of people having to show passport or PCR test than letting everyone in and they could have the virus
To be honest I will do anything just to feel like normal again, (clubs, pubs, concerts etc) even take the Covid test up the arse ha
cunninghamali
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Spain....private not offered, public as long as registered on the Padron (registered your address in your area and confirmation you live there) will be on the system and should get called for the jab at some point, at least they are moving along a bit better with itU.S. Travel: Reports That Biden Will Lift EU, U.K. Travel Ban By Mid May
Biden's administration is reportedly aiming to revoke EU, U.K. and Brazil travel bans, as well as relaxing the Mexican and Canadian border, by mid May.
this is the big one for us as my gf hasn't seen her folks in LA for over a year
a pal of mine here is flying back home to England this week to get his first jab but for me that would be a massive problem as not on the NHS nor would I know where to stay or how long for. Those of you in Spain, are you all getting done by the state health and is anyone eligible even if not registered? Another option is to go private - am guessing that could be months off though.
kimajy
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The problem here is in the terminology. Govt made wuite clear yesterday that they would be "Covid Status Certificates" not vaccine passports. So you are clear if :
1) Had Covid in last 6 months and had antibodies
2) Have a recent negative test on record
3) Have had both doses of the current vaccines
Relatively few would have 3) by June but many would be able to achieve 1) or 2) by then and would be "clear" on a domestic CSS especially with 2 free tests a week. This is clearly just laying in the foundations to pave the way for this system, to provide an achievable alternative to all those not fully vaccinated by implementation.
2H76
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It's ironic that people think having to have certification is taking your freedom away, whilst in fact it does the complete opposite. Everyone would be entitled to one even if they refuse the vax, it might be a bother but so are a lot of other things that give us freedom, such as getting an ordinary travel passport!
kimajy
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Just register online with a UK GP near the home of somewhere you have a friend and use their address. When national booking service opens up your age group you can simply book yourself a UK jab online at a centre anywhere in England and use your passport for ID. Could even be a centre near the airport and do it on a day trip if flights were available. Trouble is doses are 11-12 weeks apart and there's no single-dose Janssen option here. So it would likely be 2 trips back and you may end up fully vaxxed later than in Spain with a 21-28 day interval between doses.
2H76
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COVID news live - latest updates: Three in five UK adults have now had vaccine - as retailers reveal post-lockdown shopping plans
Coronavirus latest: Three in five UK adults have had at least one jab but experts now expect a continued drop off in vaccinations.
news.sky.com
More flaming doom and misery....but why would hospitalisations be at January's level if the vaccines work?? Are we all being sold something bought on Wish??
The Sun God
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yeah just sounds like a massive faff. I'll just have to spend the summer living everyone's melodic tech house festival experiences vicariously
FlatErik
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Exactly my point of view.
As soon as I get the shot....I'm done with the measures.
I will stop wearing a mask, I will not comply to a curfew if that's still there and I will pick up life like it was as much as I can.
Even if there is a chance I can still infect someone after the vaccine....the most vulnerable people have been vaccinated before me so the risk is gone.
I suppose appeals and lawsuits for fines after you (and before you the vulnerable) are vaccinated would have a high chance of being successful.
2H76
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Is Vicariously filling in for Guetta or Van Buuren?
cunninghamali
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ok...hope you don't get arrested for being out after curfew..you rebel
kimajy
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COVID news live - latest updates: Three in five UK adults have now had vaccine - as retailers reveal post-lockdown shopping plans
Coronavirus latest: Three in five UK adults have had at least one jab but experts now expect a continued drop off in vaccinations.
More flaming doom and misery....but why would hospitalisations be at January's level if the vaccines work?? Are we all being sold something bought on Wish??
It's total bollox they won't lead to that degree of hospital admissions, but there may well be a huge rise in admissions of unvaccinated 35-49 year olds who have been denied the vaccine in the first round and won't be safe by then. This is the key risk group for hospitalizations left unprotected, but I'm sure there's plenty of capacity to see them through the weeks of debilitation they're likely to go through. As key earners for many families, the economic damage for those families is another issue but hey, as long as the NHS isn't overwhelmed who in Government cares two hoots about that ?
Later in the year there will very likely be vaccine resistant strains and don't reckon there's any point at all new vaccines coming on stream which don't deal robustly with SA and Brazil mutations because they'll break through current immunity in UK to cause significant issues by start of Q4. I fully expect to see borders closed on a precautionary basis by the time kids go back to school after Summer (i.e. September). Let's see what happens !
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Hally
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I don't get that either, sounds very unlikelyCOVID news live - latest updates: Three in five UK adults have now had vaccine - as retailers reveal post-lockdown shopping plans
Coronavirus latest: Three in five UK adults have had at least one jab but experts now expect a continued drop off in vaccinations.
More flaming doom and misery....but why would hospitalisations be at January's level if the vaccines work?? Are we all being sold something bought on Wish??
Agree with this, there is a lot of mis-use of the word 'passports' being flaunted around by the media to be used for both travel abroad (which is a legal document) and 'certification' which is for our internal domestic use for events. What ever is required it will show a 'status' akin to what has been recommended for the digital health certificate which will record whether you have had a vaccine, a negative PCR test or have already had covid in the preceding 6 months.
The Sun God
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Neither you nor I are qualified to take any unilateral decision on this. Wait for further government instructions and stop being a teenager about it.
FlatErik
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Lol, I'm done with government instructions. And luckily loads of people with me. Being a teenager is staying in your room and listening to your parents. Being an adult is making your own risk-based decisions.
Stay a teenager if you wish.
Hally
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Your teenage years sound like they were very different to mine
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