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spinksy123 said:
So send test kits to under 40's who haven't been offered the vaccine. Not every house. Surely you'd look to save money where possible given national debt.....


Also. What makes you think 20 year olds are going to genuinely administer their own test with the swab rammed their own nose? They'll use someone else if they do it at all and upload results(if that's the way it's done. Being reported as)

The system sounds like it could be open to real abuse.


And another point. Will anyone be allowed in any nightclub anytime soon? I really wouldn't be surprised if they come up with another hurdle or two before them days come around again. We'll all be too bloody old to care by then...
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I agree. I've supported almost all the Government measures and generally wanted a more stricter lockdown than most but this seems a rash move that could end up costing the country a lot of money.

Firstly the test isn't that accurate, secondly the public aren't medically trained so many will do it wrong. Thirdly, the young are more likely to be in insecure jobs where calling in sick means you are fired or lose pay so they'll fudge the test or get their mate to do it etc.

Also a positive result (again with doubts about accuracy of the test) may lead to overconfidence and people being less obedient to the social distancing measures.
 
The government signed some HUGE contracts for the rapid flow tests and then found them to be unfit for purpose when compared against the PCR accuracy rates.

That's why they started rolling them out to businesses to test their staff, but obviously that uptake wasn't wide enough, hence the offer now.

And one thing that I've not yet seen come up in the last few pages is that even if you have both vaccines, you still may be required to get tested because your immunity is not 100% and they still need to track any outbreaks whilst the rest of the world is playing catch up.
 
djedwardsmith said:
The government signed some HUGE contracts for the rapid flow tests and then found them to be unfit for purpose when compared against the PCR accuracy rates.

That's why they started rolling them out to businesses to test their staff, but obviously that uptake wasn't wide enough, hence the offer now.

And one thing that I've not yet seen come up in the last few pages is that even if you have both vaccines, you still may be required to get tested because your immunity is not 100% and they still need to track any outbreaks whilst the rest of the world is playing catch up.
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That sounds likely they won't want Panorama round at the warehouse of unused tests at the end of the pandemic.
 
djedwardsmith said:
And one thing that I've not yet seen come up in the last few pages is that even if you have both vaccines, you still may be required to get tested because your immunity is not 100%
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Is this a joke? Even if you have had the vaccine you'll still need to swab your nose twice a week??

Where was that 2 months ago?

There's absolutely no way on God's green earth, will I after two vaccine jabs follow anymore bullsh!t.......At that point I'm done.......
 
spinksy123 said:
Is this a joke? Even if you have had the vaccine you'll still need to swab your nose twice a week??

Where was that 2 months ago?

There's absolutely no way on God's green earth, will I after two vaccine jabs follow anymore bullsh!t.......At that point I'm done.......
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I agree, and I bet the public have many asymptomatic flu's and colds at any time...but because its not deadly we quite rightly don't care and get on with life.
 
spinksy123 said:
There's absolutely no way on God's green earth, will I after two vaccine jabs follow anymore bullsh!t.......At that point I'm done.......
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Agree. There's no event or holiday I would objectively entertain taking a lat flow test for after being fully vaccinated so it may be a case of you just doing without those voluntarily this year if they make testing mandatory for all.

We've done without so much for so long it's no biggie any more. Unless I can go with near-zero risk and feel free and spontaneous when I arrive I CBA to travel anywhere anyway. Equally if I was told to take some dubious lateral flow test as a pre-condition of doing anything at all in UK, with an isolation risk if it came back +ve, I simply wouldn't go.
 
Neo95gt said:
Amen to that. Most of the US will be vaccinated by the end of May so I hope they figure something out. They already opened vaccines up to 18+ here.
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At this rate half of Europe will be flying over for a vaccination vacation ! Sooner USA is finished the sooner it might share the huge production volumes it's kept for itself first around a bit. Wonder what the US take-up will ultimately be - if it's only 50% of the adult population the country's going to run out of need pretty soon !
 
kimajy said:
At this rate half of Europe will be flying over for a vaccination vacation ! Sooner USA is finished the sooner it might share the huge production volumes it's kept for itself first around a bit. Wonder what the US take-up will ultimately be - if it's only 50% of the adult population the country's going to run out of need pretty soon !
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It’ll probably be somewhere around 70%. We’re at 40% now. On track to hit 70% of adults by mid May.
 
kimajy said:
Twice weekly testing should be mandatory for all unvaccinated UK citizens not voluntary. The people most likely to spread the disease are the same people who won't use the tests. Whole idea is fantasy as far as outcomes and it's clear UK won't be able to get hold of enough vaccines for several months to counter the balance of risk exposures in younger people. You can't impose vaccine passport / testing obligations without people having the means to access vaccines or tests. Hence the tests now being promoted in the absence of imminent vaccine options.

Refusing to prioritize teachers for vaccination has led to them being the second highest group of workers in the UK suffering long covid sufficiently bad to affect their ability to work ... you expect this sort of % in NHS workers due to extent of their exposure to the virus and the length of time it took to get a vaccine programme underway >>

www.theguardian.com

Strain on NHS as tens of thousands of staff suffer long Covid

ONS says at least 122,000 health service workers have condition, threatening patient care
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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You’re a lunatic
 
kimajy said:
Twice weekly testing should be mandatory for all unvaccinated UK citizens not voluntary. The people most likely to spread the disease are the same people who won't use the tests. Whole idea is fantasy as far as outcomes and it's clear UK won't be able to get hold of enough vaccines for several months to counter the balance of risk exposures in younger people. You can't impose vaccine passport / testing obligations without people having the means to access vaccines or tests. Hence the tests now being promoted in the absence of imminent vaccine options.

Refusing to prioritize teachers for vaccination has led to them being the second highest group of workers in the UK suffering long covid sufficiently bad to affect their ability to work ... you expect this sort of % in NHS workers due to extent of their exposure to the virus and the length of time it took to get a vaccine programme underway >>

www.theguardian.com

Strain on NHS as tens of thousands of staff suffer long Covid

ONS says at least 122,000 health service workers have condition, threatening patient care
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Is it clear the people vaccinated cant pass it on? Is that not why the testing being discussed includes that group?

My mates whole family are currently positive, wife as well who has had 2 doses of vaccines. All self isolating. She has no symptoms which is a measure of the vaccine impact.

Problem is she could likely pass it on to someone who is not. That is why I suspect all groups being discussed for ongoing testing??

Domestic vaccine passports and systems seem very unfair until everyone has had opportunity for a jab.
 
CraigyB said:
Is it clear the people vaccinated cant pass it on? Is that not why the testing being discussed includes that group?

My mates whole family are currently positive, wife as well who has had 2 doses of vaccines. All self isolating. She has no symptoms which is a measure of the vaccine impact.

Problem is she could likely pass it on to someone who is not. That is why I suspect all groups being discussed for ongoing testing??

Domestic vaccine passports and systems seem very unfair until everyone has had opportunity for a jab.
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If the vulnerable are now protected, and the remainder young and healthy enough to cope with a dose statistically, then does it really matter if she passes covid on? Sure it might make someone poorly, but they shouldn't be so ill as to need hospital?

Could it be argued that those who either won't take the vax or haven't had their turn yet should take it upon themselves to keep socially distancing if they want to avoid being ill with covid even if those vaxxed don't....after all if there was no vax we would all still be distancing and under restrictions so there's no loss?

If we are still shutting the country down because infections are in the thousands then we'll never open. I assume that even if 100% were vaxxed, we would still have covid inside us (ie an infection) even though our defences deal with it?

Anyhow - here's the list of promises made in the last 12 months;

1. Test and Trace will be our road to freedom. Epic fail.
2. Vaccinations will be our road to freedom. Doesn't look like it from here if we can still carry (ie be infected by) covid.
3. Home testing will be our road to freedom. Not if it keeps finding new cases.
4. Vaccination passports will be our road to freedom. Not if they can find more excuses to lock us down...and anyway, looks like most of parliament is against them.
 
I don't see a problem with the vaccine passports, to be honest, if you have had a jab you provide proof with the vaccine passport, if you don't have a jab you get a PCR test to travel. They won't refuse you travelling because you haven't got a jab, they will if you don't have a PCR test
 
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