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W_I_C said:
Predictably the mask on beaches thing has been picked up by "the press". Massive PR own goal for the tourism industry, no matter how you try to angle it

Obviously all the reports lack nuance and go for the clickbait headline, but you didn't need to be a genius to see how that would play out 🙄

Would've been better off just restricting numbers on beaches, surely, even if the authorities went to the extreme
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there's already reactions on it, the balearic gov't wants to only make it compulsory on the beach for people that do not live together. am sure this rule will change in some form again
 
Neo95gt said:

A Prothrombotic Thrombocytopenic Disorder Resembling Heparin-Induced Thrombocytopenia Following Coronavirus-19 Vaccination

Background. Vaccines are important for managing the COVID-19 pandemic caused by SARS-CoV-2. However, following widespread vaccination using a recombinant adenoviral vector encoding the spike protein antigen of SARS-CoV-2 (AZD1222, AstraZeneca), reports have emerged of some vac...
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www.reuters.com

Germany's vaccine regulator reports 31 cases of blood disorder after AstraZeneca shot

Germany's vaccine regulator said on Tuesday it has recorded 31 cases of a rare blood clot in the brain, nine of which resulted in deaths, after people received a COVID-19 vaccine from AstraZeneca (AZN.L).
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Archived 8: AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine use in younger adults: NACI recommendation - Canada.ca

NACI recommends that AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine should not be used in adults under 55 years of age at this time.
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I hope it works out for the UK as they move into the younger population. So far it seems ok in the UK, but the cause for concern elsewhere seems to be justified.
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I'm not sure about the rest of the UK but the current AZ batch we are using expires in 3 days, hence the big push to crack on with AZ vaccines.
I wouldn't be surprised if the vaccine is changed again depending on stock levels.
 
FlatErik said:
Agreed.
But to be honest...to me it's just as disturbing to hear people accept those ridiculous rules and say...ah well it's just for a few months until the vaccin program gets up to speed.
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ok so...

if you look at the rule in an isolated way only, I'm pretty certain almost everyone would agree it's a step too far. the news obviously made a lot of waves both outside and within spain and no one is happy about it. thing is though, if you really look at the bigger picture of the current situation...

  • spain has been in a very good situation until last week or this past weekend (with the exception of madrid basically), it's where we wanted to be and stay so that soon international tourism can start again. spain's the most visited country in the world right after france and thus it's understandable that the government tries everything to stay in a good place for the summer to start
  • around us, numbers are worse, in the case of france the ICUs are at record levels again. and just in the past few days, the tide has turned in spain again as well and numbers are going up in various areas
  • easter holidays start on thursday, it's spain's second biggest holiday right after xmas. everyone reunites.
I personally see this really as another tool to try and save the summer, no more no less. and yes, as we've seen in various countries already, the vaccines are the only real solution to the issue and in various european countries, spain very much included, it's taking too long. thus the government try to maintain a low level in the meantime. I don't agree on this rule per se, but I understand the government is desperate not to be hit with yet another wave which would further delay our season start and fcuk up (also delay) the vaccination campaign.

lastly, even though it's been said a few times in this thread, the 'outdoor contagion is nearly impossible' is BS. if you spend enough time with someone that's positive and you're close enough and ignore all guidelines and masks etc, you may as well get infected - even if it's outdoors. I have three friends who caught it like that. and as you all know, the spanish are champions in spending lots of time together and be really close to each others.

everyone is sick of the whole damn situation, but as much as I personally hate this new rule (and I believe it will be reverted rather sooner than later), I understand the gov't tries everything to save the country's tourist summer.
 
Tourist said:
new rules - masks to be worn at all times at all Spanish beaches/pools, regardless of distance - we still got a long way to go... :(

www.lavanguardia.com

Mascarilla obligatoria en playas y piscinas a partir de ahora

El Boletín Oficial del Estado publica este martes una nueva ley de medidas urgentes de prevención y contención de la covid-19 mediante la que se impone el uso de
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F**k that. I won't be going anywhere I have to wear a facemask on the beach any time soon. Not that I'm allowed to go anywhere any time soon 🤣
 
Neo95gt said:
Good to see them relying on Pfizer and Moderna. AZ is all but done outside of the UK. A lot of troubling reports continue to roll in about the blood disorder situation with that vaccine.
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I'll happily take my second - and so will the rest of the family. Big fuss about nothing on the scale of things. Send over all your AZ to the UK so we can crack on with the under-50s !!
 
Neo95gt said:
Agree to disagree there. Some politics I’m sure, but AZ did themselves no favors. Fauci said it right, a lot of unforced errors.
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www.cnn.com

The pandemic is stirring deep resentments in Europe. They may not be quick to heal | CNN

Europe's had a torrid time since the start of the pandemic. For a continent whose prosperity relies on political cooperation, seamless supply chains and the uncomplicated crossing of borders, a crisis that pits nation against nation and demands limited movement is a challenge.
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kimajy said:
I'll happily take my second - and so will the rest of the family. Big fuss about nothing on the scale of things. Send over all your AZ to the UK so we can crack on with the under-50s !!
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They are saying the blood disorder conditions can be as high of 1 out of 100k. I mean, there is definitely cause for fuss. I don’t want to pile on AZ, but it’s not great news. The US will never use AZ, so that’s a pretty good chance.

abcnews.go.com

Germany to restrict AstraZeneca use in under-60s over clots

German health officials have agreed to restrict the use of AstraZeneca’s coronavirus vaccine in people under 60, amid fresh concern over unusual blood clots reported in a tiny number of those who received the shots
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Neo95gt said:
They are saying the blood disorder conditions can be as high of 1 out of 100k. I mean, there is definitely cause for fuss.
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No cause for fuss at all. At 1 dead out of 100k, if we give the vaccine to everyone in Germany, there would be 820 deaths in total. Or as many people as are dying from Covid-19 every 5 days now (or were dying every day at the height of the 2nd wave). Waiting for a better vaccine (or for more investigation results) will likely kill more people than proceeding with the vaccinations.

The EMA is responsible for approving vaccines (German officials said it many times when they defended the slow approval process), so it's disappointing to see our cowardly bureaucrats sabotage the vaccination yet again.

I would happily take the risk of 1 out of 100k if it means I can travel this summer, and I suppose most people would do the same.
 
tclubber said:
No cause for fuss at all. At 1 dead out of 100k, if we give the vaccine to everyone in Germany, there would be 820 deaths in total. Or as many people as are dying from Covid-19 every 5 days now (or were dying every day at the height of the 2nd wave). Waiting for a better vaccine (or for more investigation results) will likely kill more people than proceeding with the vaccinations.

The EMA is responsible for approving vaccines (German officials said it many times when they defended the slow approval process), so it's disappointing to see our cowardly bureaucrats sabotage the vaccination yet again.

I would happily take the risk of 1 out of 100k if it means I can travel this summer, and I suppose most people would do the same.
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Not gonna get into the ethics, but 1 out of 100k healthy young people is a problem. You start to get into odds that compare to death from Covid itself. Let’s just hope the UK can avoid this issue.
 
Mix between hottest day here in the Northeast this year? and also new rule of 6 mixing has seen my estate erupt 😆 not seen it as busy in long time.. bet the off'ies are loving it
 
Found this and interesting read:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00762-5/fulltext

In a population of 5 million people (ie, size matching the approximate number of people having received the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in Europe by March 10, 2021
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), this incidence would correspond to approximately 169 expected cases of venous thromboembolism per week, or 736 expected cases per month (if based on the incidence rate among the 18–99-year-old Danes). Similarly, if estimated based on the incidence rate among 18–64-year-old Danes, one would expect 91 cases of venous thromboembolism per week, or 398 cases per month.

although obviously still something that should be looked into.

As for partying when things open up more, me and my friend talked about it and don't think we'd manage to do all nighters anymore 😴. So plan on daytime events instead 😎😂
 
www.medpagetoday.com

Vaccines and Rare Clotting Disorders: What's the Link?

Causal relation appears possible, but evidence still indicates it's extremely rare
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One hypothesis is that the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) and those using adenoviruses (AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson) could induce synthesis of the COVID spike protein within platelets, which may then trigger autoimmune reactions against platelets, Hamid Merchant, PhD, of the University of Huddersfield in England, wrote in a letter to The BMJ.
 
Neo95gt said:
Not gonna get into the ethics, but 1 out of 100k healthy young people is a problem. You start to get into odds that compare to death from Covid itself. Let’s just hope the UK can avoid this issue.
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There are issues with Moderna and pfizer too. but these side effects are not being investigated Those estimates are crazy high and way overstated. Have to remember a relatively small number of younger people have received vaccines of any kind and if AZ is a risk Janssen very likely will be too. They are based on similar tech.

There are billions of dollars of profits for US and Euro pharma at stake if confidence in the not-for-profit option is knocked. Drug companies have killed for less. In the end there has to be a logical explanation for one vaccine being risky over another and nobody has even postulated a hypothesis on that. It all stinks !
 
kimajy said:
There are issues with Moderna and pfizer too. but these side effects are not being investigated Those estimates are crazy high and way overstated. Have to remember a relatively small number of younger people have received vaccines of any kind and if AZ is a risk Janssen very likely will be too. They are based on similar tech.

There are billions of dollars of profits for US and Euro pharma at stake if confidence in the not-for-profit option is knocked. Drug companies have killed for less. In the end there has to be a logical explanation for one vaccine being risky over another and nobody has even postulated a hypothesis on that. It all stinks !
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Indeed. I got a video of me getting my AZ last Thursday and as you can see it went swimmingly:

 
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