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MrHullMysterious said:
Looks like only getting half the delivery from India is reason for change in expectations

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid vaccine: UK supply hit by India delivery delay

It is understood a shipment of five million AstraZeneca doses to the UK has been held up by four weeks.
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So the shortage in April is due to receiving 5m doses from India 4 weeks later than planned..
It’s not good news but only being 5m down doesn’t sound that bad, just a 4 week max delay on when we would have reached a dose for everyone by, which was starting to look like end of May was possible.

The projected Financial Times projected doses in May was 2.5m first doses per week ish, so technically it’s almost like we will only need 2 extra weeks of vaccinating to catch up on the 5m. If it is just a 4 week delay then we should have ‘bumper’ stocks come May if everything else is being met.
 
lee111s said:
With a bit of luck we’ll get some Moderna and J&J doses too.

I think Novavax said they will have doses available in May too, pending approval.
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This is what i'm struggling to understand at the minute. No where seems to be reporting very much, or have any good knowledge on when we actually would be able to get doses of other vaccines when they are approved. Surprised the media aren't all over it given the news.

My biggest fear in this is that I'll end up getting a vaccine end of May, then my mates that i'm going on holiday with(All younger so further down the queue) all end up getting the J&J end of June, as it's approved later, then they don't need to bother with a negative test, or anything else that may be in place 😂
 
Ibizapaul said:
Can't we just ask the EU for their 7million unused AZ doses back? :D
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None of them were produced in UK AFAIK - they all originated from their EU production facilities. So they're sitting on supplies they produced themselves ... AZ will hopefully have learned a little about designing vaccine trials for the future, but their brand name will forever be associated with controversy as a result of the response of EU governments.

I saw a very good analogy for the EU/UK approaches to vaccine deployment using respective legal systems - in EU you're guilty until proven innocent and in UK you're innocent until proven guilty, both struggle with departing from those mindsets. The thing with a guilty until proven innocent approach (and even where that's not technically the case) is that even when you're proven innocent the stigma and suspicion remains in the minds of all but the people closest to the issue. So if you want to damage your competitor or neighbour, just highlight or allege something bad and make a scene about it.

We all have to remember that AZ is a not-for-profit initiative and fundamentally a competitor for pfizer, Moderna etc. down the line even if not right now. It cannot be very palatable for them to see global markets becoming increasingly self-sufficient as AZ establishes production facilities domestically abroad. As soon as the European crisis subsides in a few short months' time, there is a massive global market at stake. Enough said !
 
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JayDR8 said:
So the shortage in April is due to receiving 5m doses from India 4 weeks later than planned..
It’s not good news but only being 5m down doesn’t sound that bad, just a 4 week max delay on when we would have reached a dose for everyone by, which was starting to look like end of May was possible.

The projected Financial Times projected doses in May was 2.5m first doses per week ish, so technically it’s almost like we will only need 2 extra weeks of vaccinating to catch up on the 5m. If it is just a 4 week delay then we should have ‘bumper’ stocks come May if everything else is being met.
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It's one in the face for all those a fortnight ago claiming the EU was holding back vaccines "bloody EU being awkward with us, looking after their own, I'm so glad we're out".
They are very quiet this morning, "Bloody Commonwealth holding back our vaccines, looking after their own, I'm so glad we're....oh....."
 
Looks like Johnson is doing a briefing or statement later today. Half expect the end of lockdown to be put back as there will be a dip of numbers vaccinated. So proper release might now not be until the start of July.....but I so hope I'm wrong. But can't really think why else Johnson speaks to the nation. He won't be bringing release forward now, can he??
 
2H76 said:
Looks like Johnson is doing a briefing or statement later today. Half expect the end of lockdown to be put back as there will be a dip of numbers vaccinated. So proper release might now not be until the start of July.....but I so hope I'm wrong. But can't really think why else Johnson speaks to the nation. he won't be bringing release forward now.
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I think the EMA are releasing their findings on the AZ, so maybe that and reassurance.

I believe the Norwegians have found that there is a link between the AZ vaccine and clotting. Basically it very rarely triggers an extremely strong immune response resulting in the production of antibodies which attack whatever it is that makes platelets.

But it has resulted in so little clots, less so than the rest of the unvaccinated population, so this will become a side effect. The potential side effects are much smaller than the benefits of the vaccine 👍. Just like penicillin has side effects that it can kill.
 
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2H76 said:
It's one in the face for all those a fortnight ago claiming the EU was holding back vaccines "bloody EU being awkward with us, looking after their own, I'm so glad we're out".
They are very quiet this morning, "Bloody Commonwealth holding back our vaccines, looking after their own, I'm so glad we're....oh....."
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The comments stand about the EU because they were U-turning on assurances preciously given that contractual commitments would not be impeded by interference by Governments, and at the first sign of problems at home they turned on UK to demand it release AZ from its contractual guarantee to reserve UK stock for UK citizens that had been bought with taxpayers' money. The fact we are even getting near Indian supplies when there is so much need in Asia is mind-blowing all things considered. Giving us any of that stock is tantamount to a bail-out.

Still, where EU starts rattling sabres to try to get its own way there can be very serious consequences :

www.telegraph.co.uk

Mirabile Dictu: global capital is leaving Europe and coming to Britain

The eye-wateringly large monetary outflows from the eurozone may accelerate into outright flight
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
JayDR8 said:
I think the EMA are releasing their findings on the AZ, so maybe that and reassurance.

I believe the Norwegians have found that there is a link between the AZ vaccine and clotting. Basically it very rarely triggers an extremely strong immune response resulting in the production of antibodies which attack whatever it is that makes platelets.

But it has resulted in so little clots, less so than the rest of the unvaccinated population, so this will become a side effect. The potential side effects are much smaller than the benefits of the vaccine 👍. Just like penicillin has side effects that it can kill.
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I thought it was quite a good tactic yesterday when Jonathon Van Tam read out the list of possible side effects from paracetamol. Blimey, if you were to read those leaflets every time, you would never take anything!
 
Ibizapaul said:
I thought it was quite a good tactic yesterday when Jonathon Van Tam read out the list of possible side effects from paracetamol. Blimey, if you were to read those leaflets every time, you would never take anything!
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Perhaps they should put possible side-effects on the side of a ballot paper?!
 
JayDR8 said:
I think the EMA are releasing their findings on the AZ, so maybe that and reassurance.

I believe the Norwegians have found that there is a link between the AZ vaccine and clotting. Basically it very rarely triggers an extremely strong immune response resulting in the production of antibodies which attack whatever it is that makes platelets.

But it has resulted in so little clots, less so than the rest of the unvaccinated population, so this will become a side effect. The potential side effects are much smaller than the benefits of the vaccine 👍. Just like penicillin has side effects that it can kill.
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That's interesting. Wonder if those same people caught covid it would result in same thing (as body makes antibodies/responds to covid).

Also if all vaccines target protein spike and in theory generate same antibodies in the same person, ain't they all at the same risk of this rare reaction?🤔
 
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MrHullMysterious said:
That's interesting. Wonder if those same people caught covid it would result in same thing (as body makes antibodies/responds to covid).

Also if all vaccines target protein spike and in theory generate same antibodies in the same person, ain't they all at the same risk of this rare reaction?🤔
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I'm not actually sure on the the reliability of this actually now 😂.

Head of MHRA up tonight to tell us it's all OK though, they've put a statement out to say as such.
 
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