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2H76 said:
Probably a wise decision. Hotel bookings are free to cancel in the most part if there's a lockdown, airlines are a bloody nuisence. And, of course, if nearer the time you find there are no suitabel flights - cancel the hotel and go somewhere else. Win-win.
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'Extremely unlikely' we can have holidays abroad this summer

If you're planning a getaway to somewhere hot and sunny this summer, you may be disappointed.

Dr Mike Tildesley, a scientist advising the government, has warned that international travel this summer is "extremely unlikely" for the average holidaymaker.

The Spi-M modelling group member said there was a danger travellers could bring back new variants of the virus which could be less susceptible to vaccines.

"I think we are running a real risk if we do start to have lots of people going overseas in July and August because of the potential for bringing more of these new variants back into the country," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"What is really dangerous is if we jeopardise our vaccination campaign by having these variants where the vaccines don't work as effectively spreading more rapidly."
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'kinbolox.

Just when we all need cheering up a bit.
 
Last week a demonstration against the Covid measures was struck down by riot police in a brutal way.
I believe it made the headlines in most other Eu countries too.

Today a new demo takes place right now with healthcare professionals taking part. Together with Dutch veterans they form a circle around the protesters on the museumsquare in Amsterdam. All healthcare personal can be recognized by their white coats.The motto is...if we're doing all this for our healthcare personal...surely the police would not turn violent against them right?

It's already going downhill over there as we speak.
 
2H76 said:
'kinbolox.

Just when we all need cheering up a bit.
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I doubt this is how it'll pan out but my gut feeling for ages has been that it would be better to keep leisure travel banned for the rest of 2021, or at least maintain the inbound quarantine requirement for the whole of the Summer break as a deterrent, especially given the clearly totally irresponsible decisions being made by e.g. Mallorca/Germany links for Easter and the ease with which tests can be forged etc. Southern Europe is only interested in getting tourists in even if that means another Winter of lockdowns. The ongoing decisions and over-cautiousness impeding vaccine rollout in Europe threaten all of us by allowing high incidence to persist for far too long and people will be slipping in to Europe from all over the world spreading variants by then.

People will be bringing all forms of Covid back to UK in large numbers from Europe if holidays are allowed, despite testing, and all that'll happen is another crisis in early Autumn whilst everyone at risk is re-vaccinated with Mark II. Appreciate the Med is dependent on a Summer for money but look at the bill for months and months on end non-Seasonal countries have wound up paying for allowing travel last year.

Completely sick of these lockdowns and allowing people a frigging week of sunny fun in August is coming at far too high a potential risk. We'll know by 2022 if we're basically on top of Covid or not and hopefully by then even Continental Europe will have managed to get a decent number of jabs in arms - if they wait long enough they can probably skip round 1 and just go for Round 2 on the altered vaccinations.
 
kimajy said:
I doubt this is how it'll pan out but my gut feeling for ages has been that it would be better to keep leisure travel banned for the rest of 2021, or at least maintain the inbound quarantine requirement for the whole of the Summer break as a deterrent, especially given the clearly totally irresponsible decisions being made by e.g. Mallorca/Germany links for Easter and the ease with which tests can be forged etc. Southern Europe is only interested in getting tourists in even if that means another Winter of lockdowns. The ongoing decisions and over-cautiousness impeding vaccine rollout in Europe threaten all of us by allowing high incidence to persist for far too long and people will be slipping in to Europe from all over the world spreading variants by then.

People will be bringing all forms of Covid back to UK in large numbers from Europe if holidays are allowed, despite testing, and all that'll happen is another crisis in early Autumn whilst everyone at risk is re-vaccinated with Mark II. Appreciate the Med is dependent on a Summer for money but look at the bill for months and months on end non-Seasonal countries have wound up paying for allowing travel last year.

Completely sick of these lockdowns and allowing people a frigging week of sunny fun in August is coming at far too high a potential risk. We'll know by 2022 if we're basically on top of Covid or not and hopefully by then even Continental Europe will have managed to get a decent number of jabs in arms - if they wait long enough they can probably skip round 1 and just go for Round 2 on the altered vaccinations.
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Johnson could justify placing a blanket ban on foreign travel right now - say until September; then we know where we are. To sweeten the pill he could also be justified in bringing forward our own indoor hospitality dates, meaning we could start the UK domestic tourist industry on April 12 and folks travelling knowing the indoor bars, hotel resturants etc will be open and covid-secure, so when travelling there's somewhere to stay and something to do.

If we have a half-decent spring like last year, that would be an early boost to our economy, but the plank won't do a u-turn because he's done so many already.
 
kimajy said:
I doubt this is how it'll pan out but my gut feeling for ages has been that it would be better to keep leisure travel banned for the rest of 2021, or at least maintain the inbound quarantine requirement for the whole of the Summer break as a deterrent, especially given the clearly totally irresponsible decisions being made by e.g. Mallorca/Germany links for Easter and the ease with which tests can be forged etc. Southern Europe is only interested in getting tourists in even if that means another Winter of lockdowns. The ongoing decisions and over-cautiousness impeding vaccine rollout in Europe threaten all of us by allowing high incidence to persist for far too long and people will be slipping in to Europe from all over the world spreading variants by then.

People will be bringing all forms of Covid back to UK in large numbers from Europe if holidays are allowed, despite testing, and all that'll happen is another crisis in early Autumn whilst everyone at risk is re-vaccinated with Mark II. Appreciate the Med is dependent on a Summer for money but look at the bill for months and months on end non-Seasonal countries have wound up paying for allowing travel last year.

Completely sick of these lockdowns and allowing people a frigging week of sunny fun in August is coming at far too high a potential risk. We'll know by 2022 if we're basically on top of Covid or not and hopefully by then even Continental Europe will have managed to get a decent number of jabs in arms - if they wait long enough they can probably skip round 1 and just go for Round 2 on the altered vaccinations.
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Came out in a few of the papers today that this may well be the case. Haven’t some countries just went back into lockdown?
 
2H76 said:
Johnson could justify placing a blanket ban on foreign travel right now - say until September; then we know where we are. To sweeten the pill he could also be justified in bringing forward our own indoor hospitality dates, meaning we could start the UK domestic tourist industry on April 12 and folks travelling knowing the indoor bars, hotel resturants etc will be open and covid-secure, so when travelling there's somewhere to stay and something to do.

If we have a half-decent spring like last year, that would be an early boost to our economy, but the plank won't do a u-turn because he's done so many already.
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They've already eased up to allow marquees and outdoor tables for about 9,000 more venues from 12th April today, even for listed properties. It's enough for now - indoor venues are just going to accelerate spread and there are enough options to get away for a self-catering staycation until May when the hotels open up again if you really want one. Our rates are nudging up after schools went back, as predicted, really hope they ditch plans to allow foreign travel in May and push it back to the end of June at the earliest. It'll allow at least some headway to be made with 2nd dose vaccinating most of the over-50s and vulnerable by then, and there will also be best part of a month's worth of 1st dose inroad made into the "healthy" under-50s with 3-4 weeks' slack for the effects to kick in afterwards by end of June.

Most of the under-50s will have to resign themselves to multiple tests before going abroad and preferably before coming home too. That in itself will add several hundred pounds to the cost of a trip abroad for a small family if they insist on PCR tests for the unvaccinated. Not enough to stop all trips, but enough to discourage repeated foreign travel by younger people - hasstle getting them done when you're overseas with the associated risk of getting stranded abroad if you test positive ?
 
Can we all remember that the person on sage saying they doubt that there'll be international travel is just one person giving advice out of a big group.
Sage has members that are complete anti-lockdown, reportedly a few of them were why Rishi Sunak pushed so hard to stay open when sage reportedly recommended a lockdown around Sep/Oct time, so one person's advice may mean nothing in the grand scheme.
Every other member could be saying the opposite, which is unlikely I know, more than likely there will be plenty of balance, but this kind of response would most likely be if we're going down the zero covid route, which they've categorically denied.

It was of course a bit of a downer to see that though and it does make your mind go in to overtime.
 
WuWei said:
I'm fully booked with my flights, hotel, and car for the end of May's opening parties. I don't see how Ibiza will be able to have much of a season, if any really, with the virus spreading like it is. Thoughts of dancing all night in a packed club bring about a totally different feeling than they used to. Stateside, I'm due to fly up to NYC to attend the Brooklyn Comes Alive festival in March, and already I'm having second thoughts, despite the U.S. having barely been hit by it. What to do?
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dont think like that i was of to miami march did not make it 20 years in ibiza powerfull
 
JayDR8 said:
Can we all remember that the person on sage saying they doubt that there'll be international travel is just one person giving advice out of a big group.
Sage has members that are complete anti-lockdown, reportedly a few of them were why Rishi Sunak pushed so hard to stay open when sage reportedly recommended a lockdown around Sep/Oct time, so one person's advice may mean nothing in the grand scheme.
Every other member could be saying the opposite, which is unlikely I know, more than likely there will be plenty of balance, but this kind of response would most likely be if we're going down the zero covid route, which they've categorically denied.

It was of course a bit of a downer to see that though and it does make your mind go in to overtime.
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Don't need to be going down a zero Covid route for International travel to be made difficult inbound. It's enough if UK has things stabilized at an "acceptable" level which is perceived to be under serious threat from policies and rates abroad, including a relative lack of control on variant importation.

Slovakia has just announced a month-long ban on leisure travel outside Europe, and even the papers say people will be circumventing it by driving off to Vienna and Budapest for their outbound flights to Dubai etc. For so long as Europe remains pretty open between themselves the whole EU is only as safe as the weakest link. UK's vaccine supply setback next month coupled with hopeless vaccination progress and a 3rd wave in Europe is potentially a hammer blow to prospects of an early easing of leisure travel before school holidays "proper".
 
kimajy said:
Most of the under-50s will have to resign themselves to multiple tests before going abroad and preferably before coming home too. That in itself will add several hundred pounds to the cost of a trip abroad for a small family if they insist on PCR tests for the unvaccinated. Not enough to stop all trips, but enough to discourage repeated foreign travel by younger people - hasstle getting them done when you're overseas with the associated risk of getting stranded abroad if you test positive ?
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Yeah it is a major hassle at the moment. How it will work out over the summer is anyone’s guess. I imagine even if we are all fully vaccined up in the UK it might not matter much if other countries are still lagging behind or in lockdowns etc.

I’ve worked away for most of the last 12 months. Travel overseas is a bit of a mare, and is progressively getting more challenging.

I’m testing before I leave the UK. Then testing before I travel onwards to the location.

Then testing to get back into the UK. Then having to carry out a further two tests on day 2 and day 8 after returning to the UK, and staying in isolation until the day 8 test clears. Luckily I’m avoiding having to do the hotel quarantine.

UK Border Force check you have paid online for your two Covid tests when you get back into the UK. They check it alongside your locator form. Apparently they will fine you if you present yourself to the desk without proof of purchase.

When I arrived home just under two weeks ago there was a govt letter waiting for me from the Imperial College in London. I was picked randomly and they were asking me to be kind enough to do a test for them for their ongoing study into Covid 19 😄 (f*** it, I did it for them, got to do your bit for the war effort)

I was only home just long enough to reach the end of my isolation. Currently traveling away again via Schiphol. (Went via Paris last time 😬) Just had the third degree from the security at the airport checking all my test certs and suppprting paperwork. They even stamp your passport now, must be a Brexit thing?

Luckily I have a Seaman’s Licence. I’m not a sailor at all, just a job I was on a few year ago we all had to have seaman’s books as part of the contract.

It’s a bit of a golden ticket as you don’t need to shell out for a PCR test, only a rapid Antigen test. This is my first time away fully using it and so far so good.

The testing is expensive. Approx £100 for a PCR test and £50 for the rapid antigen test. I can claim it all back through my company, but I have to pay up front and then don’t see it until I hit the next months pay. As it stands I feel like I’m always out of pocket, as I’m always paying out and then waiting for the reimbursement to catch me up in my wages.

If I had to pay for testing for my family of four to go abroad it could get very expensive indeed.

At the moment Im wondering how the travel situation will change over the summer, maybe some sort of travel corridors or something like that?

One thing I’m not keen on though is dragging my family through all this testing and isolation procedure/malarkey.

I think we’ll go camping instead 😅

The overt optimist in me thinks everything will be open for the summer. Vaccines getting smashed out all over the place and holidays going ahead.

The realist in me is seeing these new lockdowns in Europe and all this third wave talk going on, on top of certain countries dragging their heels over vaccines, and thinking foreign holidays are looking highly unlikely at the moment.

One thing I know for sure, is that when the current lockdown ends and we slowly start getting our freedoms back, there is no chance at all I want to risk going back into another lockdown of any kind.
 
Yes europe is f***ed at the moment, I can see uk outdoor partying summer or from may/june onwards and europe still have restrictions and no partying.

I think at the earliest for europe will be end of August or end of summer onwards.

I think most people will be doing staycays for summer this year
 
Johnny Vodka said:
I'm still semi-hopeful that Ibiza might happen Sept/Oct. It's not just a case of getting there, but being able to have fun while you're there though!
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If Sept/Oct isn't available, then something will have gone dreadfully wrong. Maybe some mutant that will kill us all off, or that the vaccines simply don't work. If covid keeps beating us...where the eff do we go from there??

Locked indoors for ten years, or just sod it and let the strongest survive? But after one full year I'm sick of it all, and I'm even sick of DIY. And the painting and decorating.
 
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