BenH
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He doesn’t want it anyway mate so it won’t matter.
his attitude is that he has had the best vax possible already
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his attitude is that he has had the best vax possible already
lee111s
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That’s debateable, but absolutely appreciate that everyone has their own reasons and choices.
Browny
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55plus now. I’d encourage all the UK crew to check- I’ve had several people that I’ve sent the link to be offered it due to old medical issues that make them eligible even though they didn’t realise it
Book, change or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment
Book, change or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointmentwww.nhs.uk
i know plenty of people inc parents that are in 60’s and have only just got their letters. First jabs still a couple of weeks away...
eclipse15
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A shame that the letters have taken a while to get out when over 60s have been able to book online for a couple of weeks. Particularly when that age group are less likely to go online and check to see if they can book and might not know that the letter wasn’t needed
Browny
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Exactly
eclipse15
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Sort of, yes. It’s the larger places that go through the main NHS website and can be booked when you fall into one of the age/other buckets, with no need for direct contact from the NHS, although you’ll get a letter at some point if you don’t book first I believe.
GP surgeries are generally by invite only- I got a text with a link to a specific page where I put in my DOB and it gave me slots at my local
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kimajy
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Yeah it's rubbish - 10 day delay between date on letters and dropping in the letterbox. I went online for my mum and booked her into a mass vax centre the day after it opened, without a letter, at the end of January. She's not online and wouldn't have had access for 2 weeks more if she'd had to wait for an NHS letter to arrive.
Despite going through a GP invite for my own 1st one, after a call to 119 I got access to the national booking service 48 hours later and when I went online with my NHS number it then automatically brought up slots for only a 2nd dose. So I think they are slowly getting to grips with the functionality of the service. If you need to you can switch over from the GP/LVS to NBS options but it may take an intervention at their end to do so.
FlatErik
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Covid vaccine passports are being rapidly approved as the entrance to social life everywhere. A legal proposal for this was just approved in The Netherlands. I see lots of people here talking about the vaccines and a Covid-19 approved stamp as the way forward.
My view on the current situation in short where I try not to step on anybody's toes:
First off, I never denied Covid. It's a serious problem for a small target group of people. While I am opposed to lockdowns, I can understand why they were implemented in the beginning (!!!) of the pandemic. However lockdowns have lasted way way too long...it's not one size fits all.
Now we have vaccines and tests. I have not taken any test yet and I am not sure yet If I would take the vaccine. Not because I think it has a Bill Gates microchip, but because I am not part of that aforementioned target group at risk. Why would I be in a hurry to take a vaccin where we know so little about at this point in time? This is my proper right, in the light of privacy, integrity and self-determination.
Again, never denied Covid, but as you all might have read I have serious doubts about what we have been told by the media and our politicians. We have been scared with all kinds of variants and graphs with death tolls that were unreasonable to maintain fear and keep us abiding the measures. And now we come to this new point in the -no longer a pandemic but endemic-
A society where you need a vaccine passport or negative tests to take part in social life, travel, festivals, bars, pubs, restaurants.
The Covid passport is the facemask 2.0. It shows you're one of the "good people" and it rewards you with entrance to your local pub where you always went freely before this shit...or it rewards you with a flight to Ibiza. If you're not one of the "good people" you will get excluded from the aspects of life that made life worth living in the first place. This is literally just one step away from the social credit system in China. And the thing is...the implementation of this vaccin passport is not necessary for a virus where we have more and more medical control and containment on.
We are accepting false security for false freedom.
My view on the current situation in short where I try not to step on anybody's toes:
First off, I never denied Covid. It's a serious problem for a small target group of people. While I am opposed to lockdowns, I can understand why they were implemented in the beginning (!!!) of the pandemic. However lockdowns have lasted way way too long...it's not one size fits all.
Now we have vaccines and tests. I have not taken any test yet and I am not sure yet If I would take the vaccine. Not because I think it has a Bill Gates microchip, but because I am not part of that aforementioned target group at risk. Why would I be in a hurry to take a vaccin where we know so little about at this point in time? This is my proper right, in the light of privacy, integrity and self-determination.
Again, never denied Covid, but as you all might have read I have serious doubts about what we have been told by the media and our politicians. We have been scared with all kinds of variants and graphs with death tolls that were unreasonable to maintain fear and keep us abiding the measures. And now we come to this new point in the -no longer a pandemic but endemic-
A society where you need a vaccine passport or negative tests to take part in social life, travel, festivals, bars, pubs, restaurants.
The Covid passport is the facemask 2.0. It shows you're one of the "good people" and it rewards you with entrance to your local pub where you always went freely before this shit...or it rewards you with a flight to Ibiza. If you're not one of the "good people" you will get excluded from the aspects of life that made life worth living in the first place. This is literally just one step away from the social credit system in China. And the thing is...the implementation of this vaccin passport is not necessary for a virus where we have more and more medical control and containment on.
We are accepting false security for false freedom.
But what part of overseas travel do you think is "your right"?
Trust me as somebody who had a lot of their existing rights stripped of them due to a slim majority of voters, that I feel aggrieved as anybody about having freedoms previously afforded me disintegrate in front of my eyes. It's a hard, bitter pill to swallow
A big hurdle is assuming that things will always remain the same. They don't. Society changes, mindsets change. Law and culture are in a constant state of flux
Depending on where you travel, you have to abide by the laws that govern that territory. No matter how much you agree with them or how much they differ to what you're accustomed to or how things used to be. That's kind of the deal with travel
eg. I think the death penalty is barbaric. It didn't stop me visiting and enjoying Singapore, but I would think twice about behaving there as I do in Europe
Trust me as somebody who had a lot of their existing rights stripped of them due to a slim majority of voters, that I feel aggrieved as anybody about having freedoms previously afforded me disintegrate in front of my eyes. It's a hard, bitter pill to swallow
A big hurdle is assuming that things will always remain the same. They don't. Society changes, mindsets change. Law and culture are in a constant state of flux
Depending on where you travel, you have to abide by the laws that govern that territory. No matter how much you agree with them or how much they differ to what you're accustomed to or how things used to be. That's kind of the deal with travel
eg. I think the death penalty is barbaric. It didn't stop me visiting and enjoying Singapore, but I would think twice about behaving there as I do in Europe
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Buckley
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If it stops or limits spread, to protect other people, particular those at most risk.
Unless you an expert in vaccine research, you know as much as about this vaccine as any other.
FlatErik
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Those most at risk are getting the vaccine.
I don't need to protect them.
FlatErik
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As you can see I'm talking about social life as a whole that is being restricted if you can't show the green vaccin-stamp in your passport.
Travel is part of that yes. And as a EU citizen traveling to European countries without those restrictions should be possible.
I never stated I see traveling somewhere as my right.
But I did say chosing if I want a jab in my arm is my right. And governments taking all normal aspects of life away from people who do not want and/or need that vaccin is unbelievable.
tclubber
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After everyone at risk has got the vaccine, I will agree with you.
We aren't there yet. People at risk include those over 60, those overweight etc. They aren't dying from Covid at a high rate, but they still need an intact health care system to survive if infected.
There is still a risk of mutations if the virus continues spreading in an uncontrolled way, but scientists are saying that the current mutations are as bad as it can get. So this aspect doesn't justify continuing limits on civil liberties in my view.
I understand the demand on ICU beds in the UK is already dropping, hopefully we'll see the same effect of vaccinations on the continent soon and will enjoy clubbing and social life this summer. Especially at outdoor events, where the risk of infection is low anyway.
TiffyBarrett
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What I don't understand is everyones issues with vaccine passports when EVERYONE had one of these as a kid
kimajy
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Exactly - I lived many years in Africa and entry was denied without certain vaccines. No ifs no buts. No vaccine = no entry. People in Europe have over-inflated opinions at to their own rights, if you want those rights then live within the limits of your choices. If that means being barred from other countries or certain venues then so be it. But if you want to make things compulsory they have to be readily available on demand for all.
kimajy
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Bullsh!t. They are at risk when it's circulating in society vaccinated or not. I'm 100% behind driving down incidence across all age groups and controlling the international mobility of the voluntarily unvaccinated using either entry bans or onerous expensive tests and quarantines. But people need the choice to pay for their own on demand.
Buckley
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I'm impressed that many of your jabs were given by former Spurs manager Andre Villas Boas (AVB) and also that he was still there 15 years after your first!
2H76
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I don't understand the agression towards the vaccine and the vaccine "passport". Just about in all walks of life you need id; to join a bank, get on an aircraft, hire a car, and if anyone is under 25 and doesn't do those things...then try getting into a pub if you look young without id, or booze from Morrisons.
To any deniers, grow a pair, have the jab, get the pass, join in the fun, fun, fun we're gonna have when this is all done. If you don't wnat the jab that's your privilege; but don't expect the bonuses.
As alluded to, we have had huge chunks of our freedom taken away recently - we will soon be forced to - not only have a passport and vaxpass to go to Ibiza, but an ETIAS form to fill in too. At least a vaxpass gives us some freedom back.
To any deniers, grow a pair, have the jab, get the pass, join in the fun, fun, fun we're gonna have when this is all done. If you don't wnat the jab that's your privilege; but don't expect the bonuses.
As alluded to, we have had huge chunks of our freedom taken away recently - we will soon be forced to - not only have a passport and vaxpass to go to Ibiza, but an ETIAS form to fill in too. At least a vaxpass gives us some freedom back.
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