If that happens , we have other problems than a holiday. I think , another 3 or 4 months and we will have a idea if october is possible or not. I think it will be possible.
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If that happens , we have other problems than a holiday. I think , another 3 or 4 months and we will have a idea if october is possible or not. I think it will be possible.
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Johnny Vodka
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I would be hoping for September - furthest away without it actually being proper autumn/winter. But who actually knows?
tclubber
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So basically just like 2020 - travel as soon as you are allowed to.
lee111s
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Not quite. The studies I’ve seen shared on twitter have shown that the current vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease against current known variants.
Further studies also suggest covid may have already shown all it’s cards with the E484K mutation, any further mutations of the spike protein may reduce the effectiveness of the spike binding to the ACE2 receptors.
Give this account a follow if you want to read through the real world, good news studies that are shared.
The owner of the account works for Moderna.
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Bingo. Not to mention new studies show that T-Cell protection was not impacted very much either.
FlatErik
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Said this here about three weeks ago. The variants are a media thing.
The media managed to get us an evening curfew here though. And perhaps a few weeks more lockdown. Critical journalism is gone, it's just about selling newspapers and getting clicks by using fearp.....
The variants are definitely a real thing, but the media blew them out of proportion and only reported in a way to incite fear.
You would see articles like, “New variant spreading uncontrollably in Florida!”. But guess what, overall cases were dropping like a rock and the variant spread was proportionally tiny.
So far none of the scary variant predictions have come to fruition, and most opinions from experts think that the tides are changing too fast for the variants to make an impact. The stories reporting that are buried unfortunately.
kimajy
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Oxford trials in SA show it only prevented 10% of cases of mild/moderate disease in patients who contracted SA variant. It's why their programme was halted since they were relying on this being much more effective in order to allocate it to healthcare workers they didn't want getting sick. The others AFAIK have only done lab studies on antibody response which don't teach us much about real life effectiveness but might be better against SA variant. UK has used AZ in 80% of vaccinations so is very exposed to variants against which it doesn't work well. The vaccine passport approach relies on a significant likely impact on transmission - which at least Oxford and pfizer seem to do for original variants. There is a big risk of importing mutated cases once borders open and controls are relaxed alongside the possibility that the mutations will evolve naturally in UK over the Summer with most of the population having little protection from their vaccinations apart from more serious disease. It won't help with the numbers or possible long Covid etc
MrHullMysterious
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If you've had an effective vaccine I think current variants ain't much of a worry.
If you've not had one or only got natural immunity from previous infection, then I would worry about the Brazil variant. Good report from ch4 news last night:
Bolsonaro says stop ‘whining’ as Brazil Covid daily deaths reach record highs
Scientists are increasingly worried that the second wave of coronavirus ripping through Brazil could endanger the rest of the world.
www.channel4.com
(Brazil is using mainly the less effective Chinese vaccine with just over 50% efficacy)
lee111s
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FlatErik
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Agree.
Yet the Dutch government thought it was a good idea to put even stricter rules in place because of fear the variants would take over and cause a huge third wave. That's a literal quote. No sign of that at all....quite the opposite in fact.
polar
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Ah. Lockdowns work then?
BenH
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Little brother been offered his vax today and only just got out of isolation after he had the virus.
He is fit and well 28 years old and put the virus down as like having a bit of a cold! Certainly wouldn’t normally have not gone to work with that level of illness.
On the other hand my father in law was pretty porley when he had it!
My mum who lives with my brother still hasn’t been offered the vax!
He is fit and well 28 years old and put the virus down as like having a bit of a cold! Certainly wouldn’t normally have not gone to work with that level of illness.
On the other hand my father in law was pretty porley when he had it!
My mum who lives with my brother still hasn’t been offered the vax!
How old is your mum? If she is over 56 I think it is - she can probably just book one herself on the NHS website
eclipse15
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55plus now. I’d encourage all the UK crew to check- I’ve had several people that I’ve sent the link to be offered it due to old medical issues that make them eligible even though they didn’t realise it
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If you've had an effective vaccine I think current variants ain't much of a worry.
If you've not had one or only got natural immunity from previous infection, then I would worry about the Brazil variant. Good report from ch4 news last night:
Bolsonaro says stop ‘whining’ as Brazil Covid daily deaths reach record highs
Scientists are increasingly worried that the second wave of coronavirus ripping through Brazil could endanger the rest of the world.
(Brazil is using mainly the less effective Chinese vaccine with just over 50% efficacy)
Yeah my comments were really more about the US situation. Although cases were dropping hard before hardly anyone ever got the vaccine and when the variants were supposedly supposed to cause another spike.
The question I have for Brazil is, is this spike related to the variant or are they just experiencing their second wave like almost everyone else did? Either way, they should do something if things are spiking and hospitals are full. Their president is a moron.
lee111s
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I think you’re unable to have the jab until 28 days post positive test so he might have to wait a bit
FlatErik
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We were in lockdown already, for a long time. I was talking about additional measures such as an evening curfew.
They put those in place not because of rising number but of FEAR of rising numbers.
Saying that has worked is the same thing as doing a dance in your garden to scare crocodiles away and concluding it has worked cause you havent seen a crocodile in your garden for a week. You cannot measure something that is not there.
There is no evidence lockdowns work...I said it before and I'm sticking with it...in the end the death toll will be the same, lockdown or no lockdown. Especially in this phase of the virus it's a ridiculous measure that does more harm than good.
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