Ibizapaul
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Where have you heard that mate? I was not feeling confident about my July trip but thought September was a shoe-in...
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Speculation from what the media are saying regarding England but usually before announcement stuff is leaked and turns out to be the case.
Nicola Sturgeon has communicated to not book foreign holidays at Scottish briefings.
Unless a more stringent approach is taken to minimise strains coming in, in order to maximise the local UK economy and recovery.
Looks like the road out of lockdown is going to be fairly slow and measured despite the vaccine program.
Hopefully hear specific details from Boris early next week.
djmicd123
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I've just asked my friend in work who lives in Glasgow and he said there's no such policy, he has a trip to Croatia in June flying from Glashow airport which is very much still going ahead (at present anyway)
djmicd123
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The likelihood is that, by July, we will have normality back to a large extent, including trips abroad. There will continue to be a 'red list', but that's unlikely to include larger EU countries. Even the media leaks all refer to this "normality" by July. The only thing there hasn't been any information on is nightclubs, festivals etc... I am hoping they can restart late summer provided there is an on the day test taken before arrival.
My friend is a promoter and works for Skiddle and Clubland and they've invested a tonne of money in new testing technology including a batch of the 5 minute saliva tests. They are relatively cheap and supposedly 97% accurate.
Ibizapaul
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Yeah I am hoping that events will send out a test kit with the tickets, but open to abuse of how you prove you have taken it so they will need to think about that...
That isn't really a great sign though.
I can book a holiday to the USA for next month at the moment but its unlikely I'd be able to go
Currently there is a policy where travel such as Croatia is not permitted. Whether that is lifted in time for June now looks very doubtful.
That was made fairly clear in her briefing this week using the words "highly unlikely" and recommended people not to book up -
Summer holidays abroad ‘highly unlikely’ for Scots this year, says Nicola Sturgeon
First minister confirms phased return of schools from Monday, but warns no further relaxations until March
www.independent.co.uk
“However, for the summer, while it’s still highly unlikely that overseas holidays will be possible or advisable, staycations might be. But this will depend on the data nearer the time.”
I thought like that until last week but the media stuff coming out about how we will come out of lockdown looks like it will be very gradual. July is about that time all bets are off but it does look like a measured exit. All conjecture however I do think some of this is leaked.
I'm sure it looked roughly like -
March - schools start to return / outside exercise permitted such as golf, tennis, cricket / able to meet in groups of 6 outdoor
April - non essential shops / pubs & restaurants outdoor only
May - pubs & restaurants up to two households
June - pubs & restaurants rule of 6
That would suggest any holidays in July if allowed at all would potentially include testing and quarantine after it.
kimajy
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If they do that they'll almost certainly not impose quarantine on vaccinated people returning from Europe - perhaps PCR on arrival but I very much doubt self-quarantine. If it does apply to the unvaccinated it will likely be stay-at-home not hotel quarantine. They probably want to keep the lid on pressure re vaccinations given they are rationing this out according to their own priorities, and don't want pressure to allow private sector vaccinations to be purchased by people who want to go on holiday threatening their control on supply.
Problem with that is discriminating people that have had vaccines and those that haven’t and can see that being fairly contentious given the perceived sacrifices the non vaccinated groups at that time will have made for the higher priority vaccinated groups. Not sure that will be workable but we will see as it all plays out.
Other problem with using vaccines as a factor is it hasn’t been concluded whether you can still transmit the virus post vaccine.
Quarantining at home for me just isn’t an option work wise but it will be for many.
2H76
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The Greeks have alluded to tourists - when allowed to travel - won't require tests and/or quarantine if they (can prove) they have had the jab. By early summer we still won't have got through the adult population - but if those expecting the jab by late summer can hold on and take late August break they might just get a hassle-free holiday in.
However, I can't find out whether the Greeks mean you have to have the full 2-jab course or whether one will suffice. If it's two then that will scupper the plans of a huge number of younger adult's plans.
I'll add that although the curent rates are fantastic, once those jabbed in Jan have to go back for their second starting April - that will hold things up unless that's been factored in to the equation of getting all adults done by summer.
djedwardsmith
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Because the media and various agitators are desperate for lockdown to be released, some rightly some wrongly.
For once I'll give the government credit because they've been consistent this week that they'll not be fixed to dates, but follow the data.
And given Spain is rumoured to be joining the red list along with the USA, and that those in charge of Madrid have not got the foggiest what they're doing (thus it will remain a hotbed for ages), I honestly wouldn't get expectations up about any overseas travel this summer at least.
I’m in the US. Won’t be any travel restrictions this summer for us unless something really changes, thank god.
kimajy
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The Greeks mean 2 full jabs and 3 weeks after the second. In Israel where the plan is meant for, they have stuck to the 3-week Pfizer interval so relevant people will have had the full course by Summer. Based on UK's schedule, you'd need to be vaccinated in the next 3 weeks or so to have any hope of having built up maximum vaccine protection by July.
For sure, the mainstream adult population have little hope of being vaccinated with 2 full doses by the Summer holidays. SAGA have already quite explicitly said they will insist on full vaccinations for anyone booking their holidays, the exclusive preserve of the over-50s, who should all have been jabbed in plenty of time. So it will basically be supervised quarantine-free holidays for the oldies, key workers and those with special medical conditions and no Summer holidays for the rest of the population.
I think it is likely UK Government are very cautious of the risk of fraudulent attempts to get vaccinated right now because if people think their chances of a Summer holiday without quarantine restrictions at both ends depend on it then there will be a queue round the block outside every GP surgery of people claiming to fall into one of the priority groups prepared to use any story they can think of to get there. Once we near Summer and all the priority groups are done, if other countries decide to allow them in UK will probably just say well, it's them making those rules not us. It will be very hard for them to say holidays are illegal when other countries will let us in and there's low incidence at home. All they can reasonably justify is testing and some form of quarantine (the latter if the variant excuse is trotted out).
There are already deliberate infection tests underway in UK to get a more precise fix on transmissibility and there will also be evidence of likely impact of vaccination on transmission. What they are likely also trying to establish to guide policy is whether someone with mild disease contracted after Astrazeneca (80% of vaccination stock) is likely to be a significant transmission risk based on the levels of virus detected in infected AZ recipients with mild symptoms. If they are generally pretty much infected but non-infectious, there will be no need to worry about them being a significant transmission risk on return from abroad or travel at home. That would make it much easier for them to say vaccination is sufficient to allow quarantine-free travel back to UK.
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