chez
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It is certainly nice to hear a voice for the everyday people / situation that's for sure
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AntonioGeordio
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I think I must mutter this phrase under my breath about 50 times a day when I’m back at home and trying to get my two through home schoolingBloody kids
AntonioGeordio
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Yeah he does have valid points but seems to tilt it towards "the gov gonna have us in full lockdown till autumn", when in reality it's going to ease restrictions one at a time. Mass gatherings probs won't be allowed except with tight rules (test everyone before and after).
Schools going back is the big unknown and if going by last year Sept+, might screw us over. Bloody kids
Yeah I think you are right. He’s probably just firing a shot across the governments bow to let them know what the majority of people are thinking.
kimajy
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Schools going back is the big unknown and if going by last year Sept+, might screw us over. Bloody kids
This
... if what we're being told to believe about how many kids have been disadvantaged by education disruption this year is correct, they should all be spending the Summer back at school anyway - gut god forbid their holidays should be impacted on 
JayDR8
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He's very much not a man of the people, his voting record will tell you that. A lot of the back benchers will happily chirp up when they get a free shot but will very much revert to type as a tory when it suits. He voted against school meals in that while fiasco.
MrHullMysterious
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Governments kinda stuck in a bind.
SA/Brazil mutation results in current vaccines been a lot less effective. - bad
Kent variant is more transmissible so should out complete and become dominant strain, and vaccines have high efficacy against it - good
However with high transmission in community you have a time bomb. In Bristol area they have found a kent variant with the SA/Brazil mutation included. - bad. If not hit really hard it will out compete the current variants and *everyone* who has been vaccinated or had covid will be liable to re-infection.
That's why we need data on how good t-cell response is to SA/Brazil variant for those who've had covid or the vaccine.
Ps: that is disadvantage of most current vaccines, they only expose immune system to the protein spike. Real infection and the immune system will "recognise" other internal bits of the virus. That been said the Chinese vaccine uses a full but deactivated covid virus and only gets efficacy of just over 50%
If only could attach a debugger to the body and do some coding
SA/Brazil mutation results in current vaccines been a lot less effective. - bad
Kent variant is more transmissible so should out complete and become dominant strain, and vaccines have high efficacy against it - good
However with high transmission in community you have a time bomb. In Bristol area they have found a kent variant with the SA/Brazil mutation included. - bad. If not hit really hard it will out compete the current variants and *everyone* who has been vaccinated or had covid will be liable to re-infection.
That's why we need data on how good t-cell response is to SA/Brazil variant for those who've had covid or the vaccine.
Ps: that is disadvantage of most current vaccines, they only expose immune system to the protein spike. Real infection and the immune system will "recognise" other internal bits of the virus. That been said the Chinese vaccine uses a full but deactivated covid virus and only gets efficacy of just over 50%
If only could attach a debugger to the body and do some coding
JayDR8
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It's this, he's just trying to stoke some division so it's an us v them narrative to an argument that isn't even a thing. We're clearly not gonna be locked down all summer and his comparison of 'we don't lock down for the flu' isn't relevant and has been proven so many times. He's just as much of an idiot as the rest of them.
JayDR8
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In other news the man that receives all of the abuse from the covidiots seems to have published his opinion of where we're at. It seems to be a reasonable expectation of what could happen and you'd always expect him to be on the side of caution so this is positive.
My point here is without this being simplified by Ben Kentish some people will be crowing about how we will be in restrictions for another year. Whereas actually this is clearly quite a positive outlook, It's how you read the articles that determines what you take from it. Some people see his headline and will immediately be moaning about how we'll have restrictions for a year at least as a negative, when he's clearly basically saying most will be gone by summer.
My point here is without this being simplified by Ben Kentish some people will be crowing about how we will be in restrictions for another year. Whereas actually this is clearly quite a positive outlook, It's how you read the articles that determines what you take from it. Some people see his headline and will immediately be moaning about how we'll have restrictions for a year at least as a negative, when he's clearly basically saying most will be gone by summer.
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chez
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I don't know his background pal im just going by what he said souly on that, I have no doubt your not bang on on the money..
JayDR8
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THE PUBS! OPEN THEM!
2H76
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It's been announced that the R rate is now below 1, between 0.7 and 0.9. So every single figure is going in the right direction (UK) so they really now have no excuse not to lighten things up and quickly.
Hoping; by mid-March I can attend an outdoor sporting event and go to non-essential shops and have a day out either regionally or further with cafes open for food.
Hoping; by mid-April cimenas and bars will be open.
Hoping; by mid-May they will be opening up those air corridors again, probably firstly to Ireland and Gibraltar and possibly the near continent eg Belgium
Hoping; by mid June we can fly to Spain. And back. With certainty.
Hoping; by mid-March I can attend an outdoor sporting event and go to non-essential shops and have a day out either regionally or further with cafes open for food.
Hoping; by mid-April cimenas and bars will be open.
Hoping; by mid-May they will be opening up those air corridors again, probably firstly to Ireland and Gibraltar and possibly the near continent eg Belgium
Hoping; by mid June we can fly to Spain. And back. With certainty.
AntonioGeordio
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Yeah, most of us couldn’t give a monkeys chuff who he is lol
Just another brief case wanker to most of us, but what he is saying is what is going through most peoples minds at the moment. No denying that.
Going on almost a year of lockdown of some sort now and the govt are still stuttering and muttering their way through.
chez
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absolutely this
AntonioGeordio
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It is a thing, I think. Very much so at the minute.
I think it is on a lot if people’s minds.
Govt moving the goalposts constantly. People are fed up after investing a lot in all the various lockdowns and restrictions since March last year.
Obviously I’m assuming you meant what the suited knobcheese was talking about in reference to continued restrictions going on for most of 2021?
If it wasn’t then I’ll shut the hell up lol
JayDR8
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He seems to be implying that we'll be in strong restrictions until next year. If he's complaining about any restrictions then he's gonna be sorely disappointed because we aren't gonna have complete normality ASAP and then that's it done.It is a thing, I think. Very much so at the minute.
I think it is on a lot if people’s minds.
Govt moving the goalposts constantly. People are fed up after investing a lot in all the various lockdowns and restrictions since March last year.
Obviously I’m assuming you meant what the suited knobcheese was talking about in reference to continued restrictions going on for most of 2021?
If it wasn’t then I’ll shut the hell up lol
If i was offered as close to normality as possible but masks on public transport as a precaution i'd take it. He seems to be arguing that we should have no restrictions at all, that is a very small minority of people, most seem to believe that it has to be gradually released. Then maybe over winter they may bring in some slightly further as cases will naturally rise and we may not be fully aware of how long the vaccine will last. He seems to be demagoguing, it's his party that are in charge.
My personal opinion is that data should drive when things can open, not Boris Johnson making a promise in December that he clearly will not be able to keep. But there are promising signs that in the last month they have learnt there lesson in regards to this and they are messaging much more cautious things, like for example the vaccine rollout is going to meet the target. If they get the release correct then people will forgot that they messed every single other thing up and vote for them again in a few years time, if they do it too soon whilst cases are pretty high and we end in a tier 3/4 kind of scenario for a further few months as cases drop very slowly then that will be the last memory.
For what it's worth I hate this government more than anyone, i'll fight anyone that disagrees
MrHullMysterious
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Yeah he does make good points, the problem I have with him is that he is framing it as all or nothing ; gov lockdown till autumn by when all offered jab. Or open up and get on with it.
But that is a false scenario as from what the gov seem to be saying is some form of social distancing till autumn. For instance seated service and masks while moving around indoors until seated etc, they will take a measure off at a time much more cautiously so not remove and reimpose over and over.
MrHullMysterious
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Beat me to it
AntonioGeordio
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Most of your post you are saying ’seems to be’
To me he seems to be simply saying what a lot of people are thinking at the minute. It’s striking a chord amongst most peoples thoughts and feeling right now.
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