And it was in a reply to me who has had the joy of watching the queues of ambulances and the people dying first hand. Who knows how many people normally die in our hospital how many died this last 12 months.Genuinely aff yer barnet mate
How do we explain the increases in average deaths regardless of reason. Maybe it was all actors and actresses and the data is manipulated to keep us at home.
Genuinely aff yer barnet mate
Consolation, I had Venice cancelled 3 times last year before sneaking in a weekend break between lockdowns last year - I would be quietly confident you'll get to Ibiza this year.
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Awesome thread here just posted tonightI think what is really needed is data on Brazil and SA variants against the oxford vaccine (other vaccines too) for hospitalization and death.
- they just don't have this yet which is the problem.
If still catch it and a bit cold/flu unwell for a day or two and that's it. Then happy days! Think gov will be like, "play on"
If results in serious disease then, well, f***
I suspect will prevent severe disease but not 100%. Also think oxford could have new jab that covers the Brazil and SA changes in spike protein by end April. But are under promising. (They said end of Jan was starting work on it)
To get a tweak vaccine approved requires a hundred or so volunteers to get it. Then they measure immune response and make sure it is at right level - so pretty quick compared to first time around which was testing the whole vaccine and delivery method to be safe.
There's a good argument for "three more months severe lockdown, then it'll all be over and we can reset our lives". But the problem is...it won't. Gawd I wish that was the case, put everyone into hibernation and then it's over.Consolation, I had Venice cancelled 3 times last year before sneaking in a weekend break between lockdowns last year - I would be quietly confident you'll get to Ibiza this year.
Oh and remember when someone was in here trying to mock Dr Fauci for claiming wearing 2 masks was more effective? Gee, imagine if they only went and dropped the evidence to demonstrate why that's factually correct.
Maximizing Fit for Cloth and Medical Procedure Masks ...
This report describes experiments conducted by CDC to assess ...
I've seen a few people at work have plastic mesh face guards that not only make it easier to breath with the surgical style masks, but also helps seal them better (which is the main issue with 1 mask for many and explains why 2 masks helps more).
Also just to weigh in on this clamour for lockdown to end ASAP. I get it, I really do. It's been a rotten 12 months, and people are desperate for a way out. Especially moreso in this country when they've repeatedly had clowns on the TV telling us it'll just blow over, there won't be a second wave, there'll be less than 20k dead, that all we have to do is wash our hands and sing happy birthday. Yet in terms of the pandemic and a way out, I would much rather the lockdown was extended until either there was 'herd immunity' through vaccination, or stricter measures for handling outbreaks. As soon as we have vaccinated the priority categories, that doesn't mean we're in the clear, which is what many people seem to think. The worry should then shift to mutations - and to guard against them we need to make sure transmission is kept low and outbreaks are handled swiftly. If we release too soon, we'll be back in lockdown in autumn.
From UK perspective, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect gradual loosening of measures from mid-March given where the numbers are heading
So in the beginning of our lockdowns the mayors (unchosen by the people in this country...) were the ones asking the governments for even stricter measures. Now mayors of two major cities are asking the government for room to open up...
Same here. I think loosening based on number was already possible here. But our government claimed the British variant was coming and wanted to lockdown even stricter to prevent it from taking over.
he's deffo wrong on one point - he said all holidays went on last summer....they clearly didn't; I had to "cancel" my two I expected in Ibiza in september as the drawbridge went up. there were millions in the same boat.
Holidays went on mostly everywhere in Europe at some stage over the summer, toward back end of summer you couldn't get to Ibiza but regardless of the technicalities hes not wrong in the sense holidays were still going ahead
I pretty much agree with everything he has said to be honest.
Yeah he does have valid points but seems to tilt it towards "the gov gonna have us in full lockdown till autumn", when in reality it's going to ease restrictions one at a time. Mass gatherings probs won't be allowed except with tight rules (test everyone before and after).
