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Tadas said:
I truly dislike that Sweden is always portrayed as some crazy country killing their citizens. Lets take a look at the numbers (Source: European Commission, as of January 31):


Would this work in other countries? Probably not. You need a specific set of conditions (good healthcare, rule of law, certain type of society) for that. If Spain went the Swedish way it would be mental.
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This pretty much what I've said. People aren't abusing Sweden, however you would have had probably 5x, maybe 10x less deaths if you'd gone the same way as everyone else.

Interesting that you defend your government. Here in the UK our government have literally got every single thing wrong and if someone from abroad lays in to our government I would fully agree with them and actually put even stronger points forward than them.

As @MrHullMysterious says comparisons need to be made with places in a similar position. This is pretty much why US doesn't stand out outrageously, because large parts of the country are so out in the sticks that they're pretty much cut off from other communities and the virus cant transmit .
 
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Results: Compared with its Nordic peers, Sweden had a higher incidence rate across all ages, a higher COVID-19-related death rate only partially explained by population demographics, a higher death rate in seniors’ care, and higher all-cause mortality. Sweden had approximately half as much mobility change as its Nordic neighbours
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Absolutely agree with you. I am not questioning that Swedes had around 3-4 times more deaths per capita than Norway or Finnland. But they also had way fewer deaths than UK or France. And that is a fact that Swedish government accepted as something they can live with. I wouldnt want to be in their shoes, but I also understand why they made this choice.
 
@Tadas I don't think people have been slating Sweden for getting it horrendously wrong (if that was the intention then we'd be focussing on Brazil, the USA or the UK's errors), rather they've had such a focus on them in here because the resident loony continues to try and argue that their model is the one for all countries to follow, which obviously led to many sensible people highlighting the very points you have yourself around why there's unique circumstances at play, and even within that they've fared comparably poorly to their nordic neighbours.
 
Tadas said:
Absolutely agree with you. I am not questioning that Swedes had around 3-4 times more deaths per capita than Norway or Finnland. But they also had way fewer deaths than UK or France. And that is a fact that Swedish government accepted as something they can live with. I wouldnt want to be in their shoes, but I also understand why they made this choice.
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UK having older and less healthy population amongst other things probably doesn't help for sure.
 
stivi said:
in spain, closing the inside bit of bars and restaurants and only letting them operate on terraces was the measure that easily was most effective. too many hospitality places simply have very bad ventilation and this coupled with the fact that you will be without a mask in there for quite some time is an explosive mixture.

I do agree regarding 'not letting people go outside'. but every single government in europe that had implemented something like that in the first wave (I think it was mainly spain, to a lesser extent france and italy) has since changed their approach and there is no stay at home order in place as far as I know - even the strictest laws active are letting you out to practice.


@ElrowLovers - I truly can't believe you're being serious about sweden, but I'm done arguing.
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Over here, there have been states that have closed restaurants completely and some that have them open with restrictions (25% max). And when you compare how the states performed, there is absolutely no difference.

I think the reason is that from table to table, there is low risk in a quarter full restaurant. Within a table there is a lot more risk, but that group is going to meet up regardless, so doesn’t really matter if you open or close restaurants unless you only let people associate within the same household (which would never happen over here).
 
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@ElrowLovers - I truly can't believe you're being serious about sweden, but I'm done arguing.
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Yes off course I'm being serious about Sweden. I'm curious what people are looking at when it comes to Sweden.
Their "second wave"? The deaths of the elderly in the care homes in the first waves. Comparing it with Norway or Finland?
Our numbers are pretty much the same and in some countries the numbers are far worse. Sweden has done better than a lot of countries!

Has anyone looked at their current numbers and realized they did NOT lockdown, school were open and so on?

Their government puts trust in their citizens. You are responsible for your own health and the health of your relatives. Not the government. Not the shops. Not the bar. Not the schools. They give advise and put the responsibility in your hand instead of micro managing everything. They feed their population with trust instead of fear.

Today our national government has issued guidelines for the coming snowfall. They advise us in official guidelines (and I'm not kidding) to only have snowball fights with your own household and keep 1.5m distance when iceskating on nature ice. Governments have gone crazy, mass psychosis into following the Chinese example of locking down and micro managing everything.

If you really want to see it...Sweden has done well.
 
ElrowLovers said:
Yes off course I'm being serious about Sweden. I'm curious what people are looking at when it comes to Sweden.
Their "second wave"? The deaths of the elderly in the care homes in the first waves. Comparing it with Norway or Finland?
Our numbers are pretty much the same and in some countries the numbers are far worse. Sweden has done better than a lot of countries!

Has anyone looked at their current numbers and realized they did NOT lockdown, school were open and so on?

Their government puts trust in their citizens. You are responsible for your own health and the health of your relatives. Not the government. Not the shops. Not the bar. Not the schools. They give advise and put the responsibility in your hand instead of micro managing everything. They feed their population with trust instead of fear.

Today our national government has issued guidelines for the coming snowfall. They advise us in official guidelines (and I'm not kidding) to only have snowball fights with your own household and keep 1.5m distance when iceskating on nature ice. Governments have gone crazy, mass psychosis into following the Chinese example of locking down and micro managing everything.

If you really want to see it...Sweden has done well.
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Watch this docu and you'd wish your government had approached the virus like Sweden. MUST SEE:

 
So now that y'all found something to mock the background of the author (what doesn't say anything about the content though) of that one thing I posted, I'm sure you all took the 45 mins to watch the Sweden documentary too?
 
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