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kimajy said:
A few months in the life of most 25 to 30-year olds is nothing compared to what they have ahead of them, and if some people statistically don't earn as much in their lifetimes as they might otherwise have in the absence of a pandemic affecting their education then that's just bad luck. Those minded to learn will learn, and those having to be force-fed an education can either catch up or just make do with what they got. Heck, in Africa schools close and it's back to the village - here all you hear about is whinging that online learning isn't good enough because kids don't get a social experience at the same time. There are times I honestly just want to check out of the Western world for good because the attitudes of entitlement are so off the rails.

Doing without parties for a year should just make people appreciate them all the more when they can again - or maybe decide it's time to prioritize other things in life instead. Either way we all get beaten down now and again by something and have to pick ourselves up and reset as best we can. That's life.
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What itches me about your posts for the second time now is the belittlement of the effects.
A lot of people lost their jobs, lost their companies and investments, all of their saving money. This has caused depressions, divorces or will cause divorces as soon as people have the money again to pay for the divorce. We just got presented estimated numbers of child molestation in The Netherlands. More than doubled compared to previous years because kids are home, parents are home, stress = explosive combination.

Perhaps if you scroll back 500 pages I was still talking about missing a festival or a party, but after a year of lockdowns and measures it's not about a few months of less fun in your life. And I'm not even talking about what the measures has cost me financially so far personally because I do not measure my happiness in terms of salary....but I do know my entire sector is on the verge of collapsing.
 
ElrowLovers said:
What itches me about your posts for the second time now is the belittlement of the effects.
A lot of people lost their jobs, lost their companies and investments, all of their saving money. This has caused depressions, divorces or will cause divorces as soon as people have the money again to pay for the divorce. We just got presented estimated numbers of child molestation in The Netherlands. More than doubled compared to previous years because kids are home, parents are home, stress = explosive combination.

Perhaps if you scroll back 500 pages I was still talking about missing a festival or a party, but after a year of lockdowns and measures it's not about a few months of less fun in your life. And I'm not even talking about what the measures has cost me financially so far personally because I do not measure my happiness in terms of salary....but I do know my entire sector is on the verge of collapsing.
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Can you provide a short summary of what YOU would do if you were the Prime Minister of any European country?

Lockdown, partial lockdown, no lockdown, masks, travel.......
 
Ibizapaul said:
Well that has backfired on France and Germany then....
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Perhaps - but I don't really see it is a 'race' or backfiring etc. If we want borders to open, travel to be more freely and less restrictions to go to other countries we all need to get to the same stages at similar times I guess. And with friends in many European countries I look for their own wellbeing rather than some point scoring against governments 🙄
 
Another thing in the news here today:

Compared to 2019 the amount of cancer diagnoses in The Netherlands has declined with 4000.
There is no reason to assume less people got cancer in 2020. Those people are probably still walking around with undiagnosed cancer because of postponed healthcare due to Covid.

Still worth it?
 
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It's unbelievable how much the entire world has had to adapt and change as a result of the pandemic.



I was watching a Billie Eilish video (therefore I am or something) and it's her in an empty mall pigging out on snacks. But it occurred to me that malls are shut down as far as I know - the indoor ones anyway; or at least they were at the beginning of the pandemic in southern Califronia.

The papers report the government and our CDC are itching to send young people back to school. But the vaccine rollout is only being done for the elderly...

I'm like WTF?

You have to vaccinate them first. They're just going to get everyone sick - herd immunity be darned!
 
Springal said:
Perhaps - but I don't really see it is a 'race' or backfiring etc. If we want borders to open, travel to be more freely and less restrictions to go to other countries we all need to get to the same stages at similar times I guess. And with friends in many European countries I look for their own wellbeing rather than some point scoring against governments 🙄
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Yeah exactly, if the French and German governments weren't trying to score points by saying it didn't work on over 65's, they would be able to get it rolled out quicker...
 
Springal said:
Perhaps - but I don't really see it is a 'race' or backfiring etc. If we want borders to open, travel to be more freely and less restrictions to go to other countries we all need to get to the same stages at similar times I guess. And with friends in many European countries I look for their own wellbeing rather than some point scoring against governments 🙄
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Been trying to tell people here that it's no use our elderly being protected if they aren't overseas...as we still wouldn't be able to travel so there would yet more months without foreign travel.

Just a question, suppose throughout Europe everyone over 60 had been vaccinated - where would we all be r/e lockdown, travel, hospitality etc? Frankly I think there would still be excessive restrictions continuing until the numbers going to hospital (with covid) was about the same as would be expected for 'flu (etc) so they could carry on with all the other stuff they should be doing. To get that far then - what - 80-odd % of all adults would need the jab, and that won't happen until way after summer ends.

Just hoping in the meantime that some kind of domestic normality returns, travel, hotels, bars, beaches etc. Gonna turn Bournemouth's Studland Bay into Salinas in early July (hopefully). Anyone joining in?? ;)
 
ElrowLovers said:
A lot of people lost their jobs, lost their companies and investments, all of their saving money. This has caused depressions, divorces or will cause divorces as soon as people have the money again to pay for the divorce. We just got presented estimated numbers of child molestation in The Netherlands. More than doubled compared to previous years because kids are home, parents are home, stress = explosive combination.
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All those things are awful, obviously. But still not as bad as dying. From that, there is no recovery
 
ElrowLovers said:
Another thing in the news here today:

Compared to 2019 the amount of cancer diagnoses in The Netherlands has declined with 4000.
There is no reason to assume less people got cancer in 2020. Those people are probably still walking around with undiagnosed cancer because of postponed healthcare due to Covid.

Still worth it?
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The delay is due to Covid, your solutions would mean more Covid and less cancer treatment????
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Not convinced all the things Elrow mentions are unavoidable outcomes if the essential support is there.
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The unemployement? Depression? Divorces?
Hospitality sector collapsing?
Child abuse?
Undiagnosed cancer?

Governments can throw all their money on it, but this will not stop with support imho.
 
Hally said:
The delay is due to Covid, your solutions would mean more Covid less cancer treatment????
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My "solution" would mean not postponing other healthcare, so less Covid treatment.

Even a collective of ICU doctors here have said this is taking too long and we need to accept more deaths in relation to the other damage this is doing.
 
ElrowLovers said:
My solution would mean not postponing other healthcare, so less Covid treatment.

Even a collective of ICU doctors here have said this is taking too long and we need to accept more deaths in relation to the other damage this is doing.
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How????? Everyone just die at home???? Good luck getting re-elected in a democracy with that as a policy

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