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ElrowLovers said:
A few weeks of freedom?
Hospitality sector has been closed for 5 months now. With no end in sight.
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i think the point he was trying to make is this. you say NL is in a good situation. be happy about that, because with that and the vaccines now coming you should be ready to go back to a more normal life rather soon.

you do understand that another big outbreak would simply delay this?

here things slowly start stabilizing (but can misses ICU full and deaths each day now), but we are such in a high incidence it will take us weeks still to get down to an OK situation. and I can tell you that, looking back, quite a few people in my circles who were under no circumstances letting their xmas plans being cancelled, now admit it wasn't smart. and yeah, here it was because of the UK strain.
 
ps, one thing I agree with you on is that by summer, lots of people will want their normal life back.

...the funny thing is, the more we restrict ourselves now, the more likely it is we will get that. but I understand that you most likely don't agree on this.
 
stivi said:
ps, one thing I agree with you on is that by summer, lots of people will want their normal life back.

...the funny thing is, the more we restrict ourselves now, the more likely it is we will get that. but I understand that you most likely don't agree on this.
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I get that.
The lack of vision, perspective, a good vaccin strategy makes restricting even more or longer now just frustrating.

But I have hope for summer indeed. Temperature rising and the vaccine being distributed among the most vulnerable must create a situation where some infections would be acceptable.
 
white_isle_calling said:
It also seems like the Dutch government are willing to provide some security to large scale events this summer, which is considerably more than what their UK counterparts have done or are likely to do. I would be thankful for that too
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That's nice for the event industry.

But I cannot be thankful for what's happening to my children, to people owning bars, discotheques, clubs, restaurants, shops etc.
I know it seems like a big thing for people living in other countries...but be aware loads of festivals are happening here every year. They back up a few big ones. Still lots of people in the entertainment industry getting nothing and going bankrupt.
 
ElrowLovers said:
I still believe there is no evidence of suppressed deaths because of lockdowns, never said measures. We don't know yet if numbers have been declining worldwide because of social distancing, no events, not shaking hands, washing hands or temperature rising in the spring/summer. I posted an interesting research on countries with and without lockdowns earlier.

It positively surprised me that ICU doctors are saying it too now...we should stop lockdowns and accept death as part of life again.

And why I can't get my head around the supposed danger of new mutations is simply because...they aren't? Where's the evidence?
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You're doing that bullshit thing where you post contrarian views and frame them as "interesting" rather than just owning up to your conspiracy bullshit.

A f***ing pandemic wiping out the elderly is not something that should be treated as "part of life".

If you don't understand why mutations of a virus are dangerous then I'm done with you - enjoy typing into your echo chamber.
 
djedwardsmith said:
You're doing that bullshit thing where you post contrarian views and frame them as "interesting" rather than just owning up to your conspiracy bullshit.

A f***ing pandemic wiping out the elderly is not something that should be treated as "part of life".

If you don't understand why mutations of a virus are dangerous then I'm done with you - enjoy typing into your echo chamber.
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You haven't even read the article. It's not a contrary view or conspiracy bullshit. But again, frame it as you wish.
And deceases being the reason old people die actually IS part of life. We are just trying to prevent that part of life from happening, which is not sustainable.
 
ElrowLovers said:
I agree it was an unnecessary remark and deleted it. Apologies.
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The thing to remember is that a person like that offered a country (and the wider world to some extent) more of value in 6 months at the age of 100 than perhaps anyone else in UK outside of the medics and scientists who brought a vaccine on stream. It is not "OK" for peoples' deaths to be brought forward by Covid for the sake of a few months especially when the means to likely prevent it is in our hands save for a bit more time to deliver it.

It's a cruel irony that after doing so much, the man himself was too ill with pneumonia to benefit from the vaccine by the time it finally came on stream and getting infected finished him off before his underlying illness could be treated to enable him to have the jab.

A few months in the life of most 25 to 30-year olds is nothing compared to what they have ahead of them, and if some people statistically don't earn as much in their lifetimes as they might otherwise have in the absence of a pandemic affecting their education then that's just bad luck. Those minded to learn will learn, and those having to be force-fed an education can either catch up or just make do with what they got. Heck, in Africa schools close and it's back to the village - here all you hear about is whinging that online learning isn't good enough because kids don't get a social experience at the same time. There are times I honestly just want to check out of the Western world for good because the attitudes of entitlement are so off the rails.

Doing without parties for a year should just make people appreciate them all the more when they can again - or maybe decide it's time to prioritize other things in life instead. Either way we all get beaten down now and again by something and have to pick ourselves up and reset as best we can. That's life.
 
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I wonder what people's views would be if a mutation appeared which was more infectious and deadly to the general population.

While over the long term viruses tend to become more infectious and less severe, it's not a straight line from A to B, and you can and do get more deadly strains on that path. (Long term they disappear as killing your hosts is bad selective pressure).

Having high incidence of infection and transmission increases the above risk as well as vaccine "escape" - thus another reason for restrictions until large % get vaccinated 💁‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 
Digital2013 said:
Now that it's proven that a lot of roles can be worked from home I hope we stop this culture of people 'soldiering' into work when ill to cough and sneeze all over everyone and making the whole office ill. But also need to be wary that people who aren't well enough to work are off work altogether not made to log on from home in a zombie like state.
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We need a lot more people working from home most of the time anyway - to ease traffic congestion and pollution and to give people back a bit of the time they waste on commuting! Hopefully there will be a top down push for this, with government targets to be met from organisations.
 
2H76 said:
The snow's gone now here, it's a balmy 5c and rising; and it's time to go out for a stroll this afternoon round the lodge. If the offie's open I may be some time....
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If you wanna go for a “walk and talk” at some point dude, I’m only 20-25 mins away, just gimme the nod.
 
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