☣ Coronavirus ☣

[LP_IBIZA]

Good practice to regularly wash your hands and sanitise filthy surfaces (likes shopping trolley) anyway though innit. Irrespective of what's going on at the moment

This springs to mind:

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Couldn't agree more mate!

The one positive new practice to come out of this pandemic is sanitizer at the entrance of every shop, most train stations etc. It actually blows my mind to think that was never the case before looking back in hindsight. When you really think about it we all subconsciously touch so many different surfaces all the time our hands must be so germy - definitely a fan of that remaining for the future!

 

[Digital2013]

Couldn't agree more mate!

The one positive new practice to come out of this pandemic is sanitizer at the entrance of every shop, most train stations etc. It actually blows me away to think that was never the case before looking back in hindsight. When you really think about it you subconsciously touch so many different surfaces all the time your hands must be so germy - definitely a fan of that remaining for the future!

Could also be potential for McDonalds to develop screens that you wave at so you don't have to touch, or promotion of using your own phone to send the order so you're only touching your own property.

Its not necessarily a new thing though, money is filthy and that was the main form of payment til a few years ago.

 

[LP_IBIZA]

Could also be potential for McDonalds to develop screens that you wave at so you don't have to touch, or promotion of using your own phone to send the order so you're only touching your own property.

Its not necessarily a new thing though, money is filthy and that was the main form of payment til a few years ago.

I know what you mean - I can't imagine myself using a rolled up note ever again after this pandemic!




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[CraigyB]

Yes, there is a lot of truth in this. This is why I hate this continual arms race and comparison between this country and that country.

Germany did amazing job 12 months ago as they had some of the best testing capability in the world. It meant they could control it. The U.K. had hardly any test capacity, it was a joke. They were managing 5,000 a day, and that’s why it spread. Thankfully they finally sorted it and we can do 750,000-1M a DAY now.

On the Vaccine front, the worst trait of Boris Johnson - roll the dice at every vaccine, don’t worry about cost, pay over the odds, and let the companies take zero liability- this time paid off. The vaccines all work, we have mountains of them. BUT it could have been a disaster.

The EU’s best traits turned out to be bad in this instance. They were considered, they took time, they are rules based, they negotiate hard as anything, they (I think) still have liability with the companies etc.

Sometimes luck plays a part in the world...

I'm no Boris fan at all, far from it but it wasn't luck to order to vaccines, it was common sense and the right strategy.

All the evidence suggested they would work. I don't think it was a case of rolling a dice though obviously approval wasn't guaranteed.

Worst case it would have been significant investments that weren't useable however there would have been T&C's for both parties of the arrangement to resolve.

EU f***ed around with there block orders, problem is they are accountable to no one it seems.

 

[CraigyB]

It's the lived in vibe

Hally what's the prognosis for someone with low blood oxygen levels one to two weeks into covid (91%)?

Does that look like its developing to pneumonia? One of guys that work for me unfortunately. Taken into hospital for checks - xray, ultrasound, bloods.

 

[djedwardsmith]

Hally what's the prognosis for someone with low blood oxygen levels one to two weeks into covid (91%)?

Does that look like its developing to pneumonia? One of guys that work for me unfortunately. Taken into hospital for checks - xray, ultrasound, bloods.

Speaking from my own experience, it would suggest Covid Pnemonia. It's what we noticed, Oxygen levels slowly dropped and after two call-outs they decided to take her in to be given oxygen and anti-biotics. If it's been caught early, couple of days with support and bed rest should have them recovering soon.

On the vaccine point, I think where we've been lucky is the UK bought heavily into the Oxford vaccine - if that hadn't come through we would have been relying on Pfizer/Moderna vaccines which are much harder to wheel out in high volumes.

 

[Crawleytown]

I'm no Boris fan at all, far from it but it wasn't luck to order to vaccines, it was common sense and the right strategy.

All the evidence suggested they would work. I don't think it was a case of rolling a dice though obviously approval wasn't guaranteed.

Worst case it would have been significant investments that weren't useable however there would have been T&C's for both parties of the arrangement to resolve.

EU f***ed around with there block orders, problem is they are accountable to no one it seems.

agree with this. UK govt gets a lot of stick, and rightly so, but they should get plaudits for the vaccine roll out so far, generally been a Pretty stunning success (although that said I have had a couple of mates who really shouldn’t be anywhere near the priority list getting offered one so not 100% that algorithm is working as it should.).

Don’t want to get too political about it, but dare I say overall our procurement of vaccines is an early illustration of the benefits of an agile, nimble post-Brexit UK navigating its way through the business world in comparison to the beauracracy of the EU

 

[Springal]

agree with this. UK govt gets a lot of stick, and rightly so, but they should get plaudits for the vaccine roll out so far, generally been a Pretty stunning success (although that said I have had a couple of mates who really shouldn’t be anywhere near the priority list getting offered one so not 100% that algorithm is working as it should.).

Don’t want to get too political about it, but dare I say overall our procurement of vaccines is an early illustration of the benefits of an agile, nimble post-Brexit UK navigating its way through the business world in comparison to the beauracracy of the EU

It wasn't a case of if you're in the EU you're tied to that 'beaurcracy' or not - both Germany & Hungary procured from outside of the EU agreement.

 

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[Don Simon]

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I cut my own hair....

 

[claretclubber]

Mrs cut mine at the weekend.... Looked like a rug that had been left out in the rain for a month

 

[diver]

I’ve grown a tash just for something to do whilst I’m watching Netflix

 

[NickyT]

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I think I was ahead of the game with that pre lockdown

 

[FlatErik]

While our government has just announced the extension of the measures until march 2nd....(not because of rising numbers but because of fear for the British variant)...the MSM and the public opinion is FINALLY turning against the measures.

Just this week alone I've seen all big newspapers posting interviews with psychologists, sociologists and even a collective of ICU doctors saying the measures are doing more harm than good. The ICU doctors are even pleading to the government to accept more infections and more deaths to give the younger generation perspective and a return to normal. TV talkshows are actively questioning the current measures.
Shopowners, bars, restaurants are at the end of their reserves, this needs to end asap.

I know none of you agree with me, but I'm not just sharing what I feel but also what I see and hear around me. There's hardly anyone in my friends, family, co-workers who still believes in the current narrative.

We have just been presented a routemap out of the crisis...with four phases. Even in the lightest phase with very little infections per 100.000 people....nightclubs, bars, discotheques stay closed. I truly feel this can only end with mass disobedience as soon as the summer season hits.
When other places such as beach restaurants, shops etc get to reopen, the rest should just go with it too. By that time the most vulnerable should be vaccinated.

EDIT: This was just published on our national government website:
The infections are declining, but new variants of the corona virus are gaining ground. This is worrisome, because these variants are more contagious and could trigger a new wave. Therefore the lockdown is extended.

LET'S JUST LOCKDOWN FOREVER CAUSE WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT NEW VIRUS MUTATION COULD BE COMING!

 

[Hally]

Hally what's the prognosis for someone with low blood oxygen levels one to two weeks into covid (91%)?

Does that look like its developing to pneumonia? One of guys that work for me unfortunately. Taken into hospital for checks - xray, ultrasound, bloods.

Think its impossible to give a prognosis but wouldn't overly worry until you are given reason. Most people recover well

 

[Digital2013]

Aside from the sad news about Captain Tom (but 100 is a good innings) a lot of positive news today: hospital admissions at their lowest since 5th Jan, evidence the Oxford Vacinne both protects for a long time and reduces transmission, now over 10million vaccinated. Fingers crossed we can be back in control of the crisis before February is out.

 

[djedwardsmith]

While our government has just announced the extension of the measures until march 2nd....(not because of rising numbers but because of fear for the British variant)...the MSM and the public opinion is FINALLY turning against the measures.

Just this week alone I've seen all big newspapers posting interviews with psychologists, sociologists and even a collective of ICU doctors saying the measures are doing more harm than good. The ICU doctors are even pleading to the government to accept more infections and more deaths to give the younger generation perspective and a return to normal. TV talkshows are actively questioning the current measures.
Shopowners, bars, restaurants are at the end of their reserves, this needs to end asap.

I know none of you agree with me, but I'm not just sharing what I feel but also what I see and hear around me. There's hardly anyone in my friends, family, co-workers who still believes in the current narrative.

We have just been presented a routemap out of the crisis...with four phases. Even in the lightest phase with very little infections per 100.000 people....nightclubs, bars, discotheques stay closed. I truly feel this can only end with mass disobedience as soon as the summer season hits.
When other places such as beach restaurants, shops etc get to reopen, the rest should just go with it too. By that time the most vulnerable should be vaccinated.

EDIT: This was just published on our national government website:
The infections are declining, but new variants of the corona virus are gaining ground. This is worrisome, because these variants are more contagious and could trigger a new wave. Therefore the lockdown is extended.

LET'S JUST LOCKDOWN FOREVER CAUSE WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT NEW VIRUS MUTATION COULD BE COMING!

But I thought your logic was that there was no evidence of supressed deaths because of lockdown and measures? It's almost like they're saying what everyone in here has told you for weeks, the only difference is rather than trying to argue it in bad faith the argument now is just to own up to letting people die.

It's mad if you can't get your head around why new mutations are so dangerous.

 

[kimajy]

The ICU doctors are even pleading to the government to accept more infections and more deaths to give the younger generation perspective and a return to normal. TV talkshows are actively questioning the current measures.
Shopowners, bars, restaurants are at the end of their reserves, this needs to end asap.

Captain Tom who raised many millions for the UK NHS charities during the first lockdown by walking laps of his garden aged 100 died within days of contracting Coronavirus today. When I think of him out doing this at that age and inspiring a nation, given all his generation put up with during the wars, I cannot help but come back to the feeling the younger generation will just have to learn patience.

The biggest issue your country faces is vaccine supply shortages and you largely have your own Government and the EU to thank for that. Many lives in UK would likely have been saved over January if the vaccine rollout had started in earnest in November and we had locked down over Christmas and New Year whilst it was rushed out. That one extra month taken to approve AZ cost a great deal of lives. If UK / SA / Brazil variants got a hold in Holland you would needlessly lose many people only weeks away from being able to vaccinate them and let them build up some resistance.

It is not like March when we had no way out of this underway. I genuinely cannot imagine what current generations would do faced with a four year war and compulsory drafting into the army. Quite frankly, even though I have personally suffered a lot of mental distress over all this, the worst in 20 years, I am reconciled that on balance the sacrifices we are all being asked to make are nothing close to those which generations before ours have endured. It really is time to "put up and shut up" and just wait a few months for your country to catch up. The endless moaning and clamouring for a few weeks of freedoms at the expense of others' lives is just ... well ... pathetic given where we have got to in the fight against CV. There will be a life at the other end of it, and for most many years in which to forge a new and productive life.

You will see that once half or more of the population is vaccinated, including those most likely to end up in hospital, Governments will start to ease up on day-to-day restrictions and focus on testing and genomic sequencing to get ahead of mutations at an early stage. But they cannot risk a major outbreak before enough people have been vaccinated - you can see from UK what that really means. No responsible Government is going to walk straight into that with their eyes open.

 

[FlatErik]

But I thought your logic was that there was no evidence of supressed deaths because of lockdown and measures? It's almost like they're saying what everyone in here has told you for weeks, the only difference is rather than trying to argue it in bad faith the argument now is just to own up to letting people die.

It's mad if you can't get your head around why new mutations are so dangerous.

I still believe there is no evidence of suppressed deaths because of lockdowns, never said measures. We don't know yet if numbers have been declining worldwide because of social distancing, no events, not shaking hands, washing hands or temperature rising in the spring/summer. I posted an interesting research on countries with and without lockdowns earlier.

It positively surprised me that ICU doctors are saying it too now...we should stop lockdowns and accept death as part of life again.

And why I can't get my head around the supposed danger of new mutations is simply because...they aren't? Where's the evidence?

 

[FlatErik]

The endless moaning and clamouring for a few weeks of freedoms at the expense of others' lives is just ... well ... pathetic given where we have got to in the fight against CV. There will be a life at the other end of it, and for most many years in which to forge a new and productive life.

A few weeks of freedom?
Hospitality sector has been closed for 5 months now. With no end in sight.