Hally
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Emotional and virtue signalling? Please
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MrHullMysterious
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So if over 55, bye, nice knowing you. Please make your orderly way into the grave as you are worth less than the younger peeps?
(Never mind the trauma for those younger people losing parents etc)
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MrHullMysterious
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Seems like the new way of turning around the argument to make you the problem. Would be interested to know if he has parents and grandparents over 55??
And countries do evaluate how long someone has left to live and all that in these situations & healthcare in general.
But letting 500k older people die just so rest ain't in lockdowns etc is forgetting the traumatic scars it would leave on the populus ?
.It seems to be *wooosh* as the point of caring flies over some peoples heads.
MrHullMysterious
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Plus ITS NOT f***ING VIRTUE SIGNALLING IF YOU DONT WANT YOUR PARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS TO DIE.
*rage*
And I was going to try and stay calm cause its sunday ? sorry for the caps lol
*rage*
And I was going to try and stay calm cause its sunday ? sorry for the caps lol
FlatErik
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Also...why would I post reliable sources about anything contradictive if it gets ignored anyway?
"YEAH...YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT, BUT HOW ABOUT MY GRANDMOTHER!?"
stivi
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sorry but what a stupid comment. every old random someone is the grandfather/mother of someone.
MrHullMysterious
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I'm pretty sure the same judge too would rule it has dramatic consequences for human life, if chucked the 55+ under the bus ?
- happy Sunday all ?
@ElrowLovers Rephrasing for 'the emotional people'.?
Your comments just make me angry and are so ill-conceived.
My mum was diagnosed with dementia at the age of 52. She's now living a comfortable life in her 70's, and I'm so grateful for that extra time with her.
Don't ever tell me, or anyone else about common sense or virtue signalling.
Your comments just make me angry and are so ill-conceived.
My mum was diagnosed with dementia at the age of 52. She's now living a comfortable life in her 70's, and I'm so grateful for that extra time with her.
Don't ever tell me, or anyone else about common sense or virtue signalling.
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djedwardsmith
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Because your sources are shit lol. I don't care what a German judge's opinion is on a nationwide lockdown just the same as I don't care about what a bus drivers opinion is on vaccinations.
The problem you don't seem to realise, and I really hope you don't have to experience it, is that whilst you're trying to de-humanise your logic and draw it away from the real world, Covid doesn't do that. In hospitals, there isn't a choice between random person A and random person B who both meet exact criteria that you have defined. There's a choice between saving two people, two children, two parents, two grandparents. That's the real world. Try living in it.
MrHullMysterious
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Gov does do a difficult balancing act. If the deaths was around 20 a day as it was in summer, they'd have a lot less restrictions and it would be an "acceptable" number of deaths.
With it running at 1100 a day (by date of death) for almost 2 weeks and probs gonna get worse before it gets better - I think they have made the right choice, a bit late all be it.
MrHullMysterious
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What I don't get is what expect to happen if bin off the "old".
When wheeled into hospital they are wheeled straight out the back into a skip? ?
After all we have to make space so NHS can treat those who are valuable. Perhaps the US system of checking your insurance/wallet to determine which hospital you go to could be used to indicate how "valuable" you are ?
Edit: or you don't get to go to hospital in the first place; the swedish model?
/sarcasm
When wheeled into hospital they are wheeled straight out the back into a skip? ?
After all we have to make space so NHS can treat those who are valuable. Perhaps the US system of checking your insurance/wallet to determine which hospital you go to could be used to indicate how "valuable" you are ?
Edit: or you don't get to go to hospital in the first place; the swedish model?
/sarcasm
FlatErik
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Every person would answer the same if it wasn't for the toxic atmosphere here right now.
Again, the question was:
Would you value a young healthy life more worth than the life of someone at the end of their life with dementia (no idea why that was added but okay). The answer is perfectly normal and logical.
No need for anyone to drag their grandmother in. It was about the question if one life is more worth than the other. And yes that is the case. Even medical professionals will agree on that. But not the forum members here. Whatever.
stivi
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of course. the thing you either don't understand or don't give a damn about is that with your insensitive comments you're not doing yourself any favours
FlatErik
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A judge has no opinion, a judge speaks justice. It's a court decision. If a judicial court decision on the lockdown doesn't matter...
Or if a whole bunch of healthcare experts on Boris Johnsons fearporn doesn't matter...
Then please stay in your own fear driven bubble forever with no contradicting opinions.
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FlatErik
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Great. So we agree on that.
People are just being to sensitive Stivi. I was ASKED the question....I could have played the hypocrite and said:
"No every life is worth the same to me".....simply untrue for all of us. Yes if you had to choose between ME or your GRANDMA ...off course you would save your grandma, but that was not the point at all.
stivi
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I disagree. I (and I have a feeling I'm not the only one in here) think you are not nearly sensitive enough
Hally
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I've spent 25 years trying to improve the way people with dementia are cared for. If I'm virtue signalling I'm an showing some real commitment to it
Really good to hear that your mum has been able to live well through dementia. Never an easy journey ❤
(Am I virtue signalling again??)
Hally
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That is literally what youd have to do, or let them suffocate quietly in the corner at homeWhat I don't get is what expect to happen if bin off the "old".
When wheeled into hospital they are wheeled straight out the back into a skip? ?
After all we have to make space so NHS can treat those who are valuable. Perhaps the US system of checking your insurance/wallet to determine which hospital you go to could be used to indicate how "valuable" you are ?
Edit: or you don't get to go to hospital in the first place; the swedish model?
/sarcasm
FlatErik
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Every time it's about someone's personal situation or family members you'll see my sincere empathy ?
But when it's about the bigger picture...do lockdowns work, is this still worth all the measures, is it proportional, are there other ways etc.....then I try to leave my grandparents and my emotions out of it cause that doesn't add anything to the discussion. It's about the whole world being locked up for almost a year now and it's too bad this forum can't have a healthy open minded discussion about that without actively looking for a black sheep that they can't point their frustration too.
stivi
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Every time it's about someone's personal situation or family members you'll see my sincere empathy ?
But when it's about the bigger picture...do lockdowns work, is this still worth all the measures, is it proportional, are there other ways etc.....then I try to leave my grandparents and my emotions out of it cause that doesn't add anything to the discussion. It's about the whole world being locked up for almost a year now and it's too bad this forum can't have a healthy open minded discussion about that without actively looking for a black sheep that they can't point their aggression too.
the bigger picture still includes what I said earlier - every lost life is drama for a family, no matter if we know them or not.
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