There is literally no chance of Patel being leader. She is lucky to still have a job.
Anyone supporting her and her politics is for the watching.
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Anyone supporting her and her politics is for the watching.
kimajy
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Dispute resolution. Successful negotiation is highly correlated to discussion in person and "off the record".
kimajy
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Not unless rollout and availability globally steps up dramatically.
Hally
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I'll settle for beer garden and beach bar
Digital2013
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I can't see 'proof of Vaccine' being workable for concerts and festivals, unless said event was on a self contained island or something (Fyre Festival makes an unlikely comeback
)The security staff at these events are busy enough checking tickets, searching for drugs, weapons and bombs, different nationalities handing over Vaccine cards or showing QR codes on screens in each countries format would be a mess. Fraud would be huge, all it would take is someone posting 'I've had my Vacinne' and a picture on social media and that pic would be getting photoshopped and printed out. Some countries Vaccines will be better than others, Brazil's bought a Chinese one that is coming out as 50% effective not 70%+ like the others
And what if you refuse someone for not having a Vacinne? At Creamfields for example that person would be left wandering around the Cheshire countryside trying to find a taxi or hitchhike, potentially spreading more virus about if they had it.
I think herd immunity from vaccine and antibodies from removing from it and then deaths and serious illness plummeting is the only way forward.
In fairness, its coming out as ~50% in ONE study, in others the effectiveness is being reported as different. And Id bargain that will be the same for all of the vaccines.I can't see 'proof of Vaccine' being workable for concerts and festivals, unless said event was on a self contained island or something (Fyre Festival makes an unlikely comeback
The security staff at these events are busy enough checking tickets, searching for drugs, weapons and bombs, different nationalities handing over Vaccine cards or showing QR codes on screens in each countries format would be a mess. Fraud would be huge, all it would take is someone posting 'I've had my Vacinne' and a picture on social media and that pic would be getting photoshopped and printed out. Some countries Vaccines will be better than others, Brazil's bought a Chinese one that is coming out as 50% effective not 70%+ like the others
And what if you refuse someone for not having a Vacinne? At Creamfields for example that person would be left wandering around the Cheshire countryside trying to find a taxi or hitchhike, potentially spreading more virus about if they had it.
I think herd immunity from vaccine and antibodies from removing from it and then deaths and serious illness plummeting is the only way forward.
stivi
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ultimately, yes.
Digital2013
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Understood. I do think we will see a game of 'my vaccines better than your vaccine' from different countries though, international cooperation seems to have gone out the window of late sadly.
FlatErik
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Strongly disagree.
The government (and media) are gaslighting our country. "Lockdown gets tightened because people are not abiding the rules".
"We need a curfew because people are still visiting each other". It's nonsense. Have you seen the streets of Amsterdam in the evening hours? Hell even in daylight there is hardly anyone to be seen. Truth is...most people are abiding the rules.
It's not about excesses such as small percentage of young people having a homeparty. No matter what new rules you introduce they will do that anyway. A curfew or whatever new rule is not gonna stop them, they will just have sleepovers then. It's about having rules for the general public and almost everyone is following them. However...if you keep changing the narrative and changing the indicators you can keep showing negative results and keep blaming the country for not doing it good enough. Lots of people are feeling cheated and emotionally blackmailed...It's kinda like this and off course I'm exaggerating a bit:
"You, young healthy person, must stay at home, hand in 10% of your salary, give up your job, can't have any fun and wait till it's finally your turn for a vaccin somewhere after summer that you must take so everyone can get their freedom back"
Let's be clear, if you look at the Dutch numbers today 17.473.995 people did NOT test positive for Covid-19. That's 99.97 of our population following all those rules for that 0.03%. Recent numbers show 93% of the people in the Netherlands are wearing a facemask in public spaces.
Offices are empty because most people are working from home. I believe the majority of people are respecting the incredibly freedom-restricting rules. This while the overal support for the measures has just dropped below 50% of our citizens. The fact that our government just resigned today (because of a totally different severe reason) won't help in keeping that low level of support.
To be clear, this might come unexpected ;-)...While I don't believe these rude grand-scale lockdowns, closing shops, facemask etc work... I do mostly respect them, I work from home and I wear a mask in public spaces.
Like I said, most people...even the ones that dont support the rules, actually do respect them. But a growing group of people are feeling their life and health is about more than just avoiding covid, so the support is declining. Introducing new indicators and new rules again and again is not helping and I feel it's at a tipping point.
FlatErik
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That's right.
The full Dutch government has just resigned because of an affair about letting families pay enormous tax fines they shouldn't have.
However, our law makes it possible to let them stay in position about emergency topics (such as Covid-19) until there is a new government.
Not sure about what's happening in other countries. For The Netherlands this resigning is not about Covid. However...our country's support for the governmental approach is declining rapidly and this won't help.
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MrHullMysterious
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This is good news, 300k a day is about 2m a week ?
Number of cases has gone up to 55k again.
Deaths by date of death is looking like its gonna breach 1k though ? (latest few days are low until back filled over next week or so).
Number of cases has gone up to 55k again.
Deaths by date of death is looking like its gonna breach 1k though ? (latest few days are low until back filled over next week or so).
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lee111s
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Down 13k from the same day last week though.
7 day average has also dropped by 8k compared to last Friday, so definitely heading in the right direction.
Peak infections look to be 4th Jan, before lockdown could have had any effect.
eclipse15
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I did read that there’s 21m doses in the country all manufactured now. Just waiting on batch testing and vialing/vialling (definitely not a word) up.
Before we misunderstand each other: What do you consider to be a good indicator of “people abiding the rules”?
Where in Amsterdam are you living?
kimajy
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Our little area still at 77 cases per 100,000. As long as there's no data error or weird blip that happened round New Year which is not impacting the numbers yet I'm hoping our infections will start to peter out completely (or near as). These are rates consistent with the old "Tier 1". I think everyone round here is too busy having walks on the Coast Path and dealing with their Winter pruning to bother going out or socialising. As I said before, all they have to do round here is shut down the pub and ban second home owners/tourists and the rest pretty much takes care of itself !
I can't see 'proof of Vaccine' being workable for concerts and festivals, unless said event was on a self contained island or something (Fyre Festival makes an unlikely comeback
The security staff at these events are busy enough checking tickets, searching for drugs, weapons and bombs, different nationalities handing over Vaccine cards or showing QR codes on screens in each countries format would be a mess. Fraud would be huge, all it would take is someone posting 'I've had my Vacinne' and a picture on social media and that pic would be getting photoshopped and printed out. Some countries Vaccines will be better than others, Brazil's bought a Chinese one that is coming out as 50% effective not 70%+ like the others
And what if you refuse someone for not having a Vacinne? At Creamfields for example that person would be left wandering around the Cheshire countryside trying to find a taxi or hitchhike, potentially spreading more virus about if they had it.
I think herd immunity from vaccine and antibodies from removing from it and then deaths and serious illness plummeting is the only way forward.
The passport would be digital and seamless to verify, fraud wouldn’t be an issue. We just need to get enough people vaccinated so it’s more like the flu. Things should open completely once the old and compromised are vaccinated imo. Hopefully Spain doesn’t try to have people social distancing and wearing masks when hospitals are empty because there are still 20 year olds that haven’t been vaccinated yet.
eclipse15
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Not sure about seamless. Different countries, different systems, some accepting, some not. Would require some serious joinedupness that I’m not confident that the UK government can achieve at the moment. Still expecting tests to be required for the rest of the year for international travel
kimajy
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That's pretty much a given, and there will be mandatory masks and social distancing indoors throughout the Summer almost 100% -certainly in UK this has pretty much already been indicated publicly in briefings, those measures will likely stay for most if not all of the year. I doubt it will be any different in Spain.
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