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MrHullMysterious said:
What's Spain's timetable for getting the most vulnerable vaccinated?

UK is mid feb, but we all know it's more likely mid to end March. Just wondering how other European countries stack up, and how that would affect summer tourism.
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I actually don't know. the govt's goal is to have vaccinated around 60% of pop by mid summer. and obvs they start with the vulnerable. but I haven't seen a specific time table.

kimajy said:
But not confined to your houses, schools and non-essential retail still open this time !!
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correct. but if numbers don't improve enough in a month's time or so, I think they might go stricter. us balearics simply have to be in a good situation by easter so tourism can slowly start again then.
 
4tothefloor said:
Matt Hancock says everyone in the U.K. will be offered a vaccine by autumn. That’s a relief as it hadn’t been confirmed that under 50’s will be offered one. So, I would imagine that 35-50 years olds should have some freedom to have a summer and travel at some point, obviously dependent on how the vaccine programme is delivered abroad.
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I'm very glad they have finally agreed to offer it to us. Hope they don't take their foot off the gas once the over-50s are done. They could easily have all of us who want one vaccinated by July so at least we can have a bit of a Summer without worrying about losing weeks to being sick with Covid. I suspect they are just concerned about having them done by the time the kids go back to school in the Autumn, nothing to do with quality of life for us as it's all about public health services.
 
kimajy said:
I'm very glad they have finally agreed to offer it to us. Hope they don't take their foot off the gas once the over-50s are done. They could easily have all of us who want one vaccinated by July so at least we can have a bit of a Summer without worrying about losing weeks to being sick with Covid. I suspect they are just concerned about having them done by the time the kids go back to school in the Autumn, nothing to do with quality of life for us as it's all about public health services.
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Me too but your post has made me think. I wonder if they will reverse the vaccination programme and target under 21’s after they have vaccinated +50’s and higher risk groups? What a bloody nightmare for 30-50 year olds that would be! But there is a rationale for doing that.
 
kimajy said:
I'm very glad they have finally agreed to offer it to us. Hope they don't take their foot off the gas once the over-50s are done. They could easily have all of us who want one vaccinated by July so at least we can have a bit of a Summer without worrying about losing weeks to being sick with Covid. I suspect they are just concerned about having them done by the time the kids go back to school in the Autumn, nothing to do with quality of life for us as it's all about public health services.
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Yeah that and having a large reservoir of people who can catch it and spread it and risk more serious mutations will be a factor.
 
kimajy said:
Should never have offered to pay staff. But there is a serious ethical issue where vaccines are going to waste. It's morally wrong imho to throw them away rather than allow someone to have them just because of age.
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Is there actually a law prohibiting Covid vaccines from being sold privately? What's preventing a private company from ordering the vaccine from one of the manufacturers and then distributing it to the highest bidders?
 
tclubber said:
Is there actually a law prohibiting Covid vaccines from being sold privately? What's preventing a private company from ordering the vaccine from one of the manufacturers and then distributing it to the highest bidders?
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I think PHE only licenced the vaccines for use by the NHS ? Private companies have been prohibited from offering the vaccine "for cost" in the UK. It's market interference basically. There is a high risk of fraud if cost is too high. Can only hope that once the high risk groups have been vaccinated they ease up on this, like they did with testing. I'm not paying £5k a jab FFS but I would happily pay a couple of hundred not to have to deal with the NHS. I'm still registered with a GP in a town I haven't lived in for 15 years and they have my old address so I'm going to have to sort all that out for starters. Shows how often I usually call on them !!!
 
kimajy said:
Should never have offered to pay staff. But there is a serious ethical issue where vaccines are going to waste. It's morally wrong imho to throw them away rather than allow someone to have them just because of age.



But not confined to your houses, schools and non-essential retail still open this time !!
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you’ll get bad management, but I have heard more stories of hospitals using leftover doses for non-frontline NHS staff and surgeries contacting people proactively than waste
 
Is the answer to covid under our nose? https://nocamels.com/2021/01/sanotize-uk-clinical-trial-covid-nasal-spray/
Oftern wondered, seeing as the nose is the point of entry and the virus inhabits those areas first before moving on, (sorry, this might be a bit gross!!) if people who clean their nose out with their fingers are actually doing themselves a favour removing the breeding ground for covid?
Although I assume the breeding ground would be the back of the nose above the throat before it moves to the lungs?
Anyhow, spraying yourself with nitrus oxide couldkick-off the Trumpists "Oh, Orange God was on the right lines all along...."
 
This article is UK specific, but applies to at least The Netherlands too.
There are LESS patients in hospitals then in a normal flu season, but due to Covid measures (distance between patients, healthcare workers in quarantine etc) less patients can be treated then last year of the years before. Now that's a problem we need to solve....and that's a problem Gov's could have prepared for in summer...

Source:
www.bbc.com

Covid: How busy are hospitals in England?

Statistics seem to show hospitals are less busy than usual, but can we compare with previous years?
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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Our government has been in power 10 years and has reduced the amount of beds and staff in healthcare in that time. 10 years of cuts is not something you can reverse in 6 months, especially if you rely on people from overseas to work in healthcare and decide to crack on with Brexit in that time meaning you lose a lot of staff who decide not to risk anything and go back to their home countries

www.kingsfund.org.uk

NHS hospital bed numbers

The number of hospital beds in England has more than halved over the past 30 years. This explainer looks at data on hospital beds, explores the drivers underpinning the changes it shows, and considers whether further reductions to bed numbers are realistic.
www.kingsfund.org.uk www.kingsfund.org.uk

but actually on recent stats, they estimate 47% of U.K. bed capacity is taken up by COVID patients. That is a significant amount of your capacity taken up by 1 single disease especially when it is so infectious
 
Springal said:
Our government has been in power 10 years and has reduced the amount of beds and staff in healthcare in that time. 10 years of cuts is not something you can reverse in 6 months, especially if you rely on people from overseas to work in healthcare and decide to crack on with Brexit in that time meaning you lose a lot of staff who decide not to risk anything and go back to their home countries

www.kingsfund.org.uk

NHS hospital bed numbers

The number of hospital beds in England has more than halved over the past 30 years. This explainer looks at data on hospital beds, explores the drivers underpinning the changes it shows, and considers whether further reductions to bed numbers are realistic.
www.kingsfund.org.uk www.kingsfund.org.uk
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Also says England has/had 12,000 beds free in theory. That's 3 days worth of covid admissions ?

(of course there are beds been freed each day, but still)
 
ElrowLovers said:
This article is UK specific, but applies to at least The Netherlands too.
There are LESS patients in hospitals then in a normal flu season, but due to Covid measures (distance between patients, healthcare workers in quarantine etc) less patients can be treated then last year of the years before. Now that's a problem we need to solve....and that's a problem Gov's could have prepared for in summer...

Source:
www.bbc.com

Covid: How busy are hospitals in England?

Statistics seem to show hospitals are less busy than usual, but can we compare with previous years?
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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Our government has f****d up but there is precious little they could for the fragilites in the acute hospital setting in the time they had

Acute hospitals currently have severe stress points at the front door and ICU and staffing problems everywhere

Off to work in a minute, wish me luck
 
Springal said:
Our government has been in power 10 years and has reduced the amount of beds and staff in healthcare in that time. 10 years of cuts is not something you can reverse in 6 months, especially if you rely on people from overseas to work in healthcare and decide to crack on with Brexit in that time meaning you lose a lot of staff who decide not to risk anything and go back to their home countries

www.kingsfund.org.uk

NHS hospital bed numbers

The number of hospital beds in England has more than halved over the past 30 years. This explainer looks at data on hospital beds, explores the drivers underpinning the changes it shows, and considers whether further reductions to bed numbers are realistic.
www.kingsfund.org.uk www.kingsfund.org.uk

but actually on recent stats, they estimate 47% of U.K. bed capacity is taken up by COVID patients. That is a significant amount of your capacity taken up by 1 single disease especially when it is so infectious
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Really important fact that is overseen by many, without neglecting the fact Covid exists. The UK is not alone in this. Most governments did the same and have been cutting back on healthcare for years. Netherlands is the same story.

Now what bothers me (yeah here I go again)....with lockdowns, extending lockdowns or making them stricter it's society that gets the blame.
"You need to close your shop because infections are rising" "The youth needs to stop illegal house parties because they are making things worse" "Wear your mask" "Stay at home, we need to do this together" and other horrible government mantra's....but a big part of this crisis has been caused by our governments themselves.

I agree it can't be solved in 6 months, but at least here in The Netherlands...nothing has been done to prepare for a "second wave".
 
To illustrate the previously posted article from BBC even more:

"Patient on lying on the ground because there are no beds, there are no ambulances left and 50.000 surgeries have been cancelled. Doctors, hospital directors and patients are sounding the alarm in the United Kingdom. The Healthcare system is collapsing"

Covid19!! No...this is from a Dutch news article about the UK in January 2018 titled "It's better not to get sick in the UK".
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In Engeland kun je maar beter niet ziek worden

Patiënten die op de grond liggen bij gebrek aan bedden,een tekort aan ambulances en 50.000 geschrapte operaties. Artsen, ziekenhuisdirecteuren en patiënten slaan alarm in Groot-Brittannië: het zorgsysteem is zwaar overbelast.
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Again...not neglecting the amount of Covid patients right now. But our governments have a huge responsibility for what's happening now and all they do is point the finger at society: "you're not abiding the rules, do better, here are even stricter rules, stay at home, we're in this together".
 
2H76 said:
Is the answer to covid under our nose? https://nocamels.com/2021/01/sanotize-uk-clinical-trial-covid-nasal-spray/
Oftern wondered, seeing as the nose is the point of entry and the virus inhabits those areas first before moving on, (sorry, this might be a bit gross!!) if people who clean their nose out with their fingers are actually doing themselves a favour removing the breeding ground for covid?
Although I assume the breeding ground would be the back of the nose above the throat before it moves to the lungs?
Anyhow, spraying yourself with nitrus oxide couldkick-off the Trumpists "Oh, Orange God was on the right lines all along...."
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I bought some of this to try >>

https://www.taffixprotect.co.uk/pro...MI5-6whueR7gIVgdPtCh1QVg-BEAAYASAAEgJl5vD_BwE

There are lots of products aimed at the same thing. Boots antiviral foam and Vicks First Defence have been around for years I'd have to look at how they work with Covid but likely better than nothing.

ElrowLovers said:
all they do is point the finger at society: "you're not abiding the rules, do better, here are even stricter rules, stay at home, we're in this together".
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The thing is, that doesn't change things as far as going forward in the immediate term is concerned. The fact they neglected to invest and made bad decisions causing the pressures we are now facing doesn't alter the assessment of a need for lockdown to control exponential transmission given the capacity constraints of the healthcare system in place at this minute.You can call for hoarding surge capacity in terms of hospitals and staff but when that capacity is only needed for a very short time each year it can be hard to justify in terms of public finances in a "normal" year, especially after the financial crisis etc etc .
 
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