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eclipse15 said:
Just so I’m clear here- you’re saying that because of someone’s age, they shouldn’t be entitled to the same healthcare as someone younger? Thus putting them at high risk of catching the virus and passing away as a result. Some sort of state sponsored euthanasia program where those who can no longer contribute in a specific way to society are dispensable.

That’s just a touch, erm, Nazi, isn’t it?
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lol that's just a ridiculous comment and should be moderated.

I was saying I was questioning why a 101 year old woman gets a vaccine. Does her immune system even do something with that vaccine? Is it worth giving her that vaccin now instead of the people that have 30 years ahead of them..like 70 year olds?

And yes, even in healthcare policies it is stated that there is a decision model based on young and old when shit hits the fan, like now. Young goes before old in situations where choices need to be made.
 
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eclipse15 said:
Just so I’m absolutely, 100% clear here- you’re saying that because of someone’s age, they shouldn’t be entitled to the same healthcare as someone younger? Thus putting them at high risk of catching the virus and passing away as a result. Some sort of state sponsored euthanasia program where those who can no longer contribute in a specific way to society are dispensable.

That’s just a touch, erm, Nazi, isn’t it?
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ElrowLovers said:
lol that's just a ridiculous comment and should be moderated.

I was saying I was questioning why a 101 year old woman gets a vaccine. Does her immune system even do something with that vaccine? Is it worth giving her that vaccin instead of the people that have 30 years ahead of them..like 70 year olds?

And yes, even in healthcare policies it is stated that there is a decision model based on young and old when shit hits the fan, like now. Young goes before old in situations where choices need to be made.
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Moderate away- @stivi , what do you reckon dude?
 
MrHullMysterious said:
Also it's important to remember half of patients (in uk) are under 60. (Might have asthma though ?)

Plus Sweden adopted the "abandon the elderly" back at the start by making it really difficult for them to actually be admitted to hospital. ?‍♂️

I dunno, this line of thought seems its something that would come with a free brown shirt ?
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We're talking about hospitalizations, ICU admissions..doctors doing their upmost to let those patients recover and thus get a few years older.
Half of covid cases overall (in the UK) might be under 60 but the patients that were aimed at in the interview I mentioned are another category.
 
ElrowLovers said:
Yet it's exactly what we do when choices need to be made? If there's just one bed left and we have a patient 60 years old or a patient 90 years old....the 60 years old gets the bed. At least that's the policy here.
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It isnt policy here but choices have had to be made during this crisis. If my house was burning down and I had to save my daughter or my mum I'd save my daughter, not really relevant though is it? Doesnt have bearing on what we do outside of a crisis

Given the relationship between age and outcome it clearly makes sense to give it the oldest first.
 
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lee111s said:
You’ve lost the plot. Your views and ideas are pretty warped.
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They're pretty clear and based on common sense. The problem is that lots of people seem to have lost that when it comes to covid. Blurred by fear and emotions. Also sometimes it might be interesting to discuss other people views...such as a professor I mentioned today. Instead of discussing it, people are interpreting it as if it is 100% my view / belief and call me 'a touch of Nazi'? That's pretty warped.
 
ElrowLovers said:
They're pretty clear and based on common sense. The problem is that lots of people seem to have lost that when it comes to covid. Blurred by fear and emotions. Also sometimes it might be interesting to discuss other people views...such as a professor I mentioned today. Instead of discussing it, people are interpreting it as if it is 100% my view / belief and call me 'a touch of Nazi'? That's pretty warped.
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We are discussing them. Some people find them concerning.
 
ElrowLovers said:
They're pretty clear and based on common sense. The problem is that lots of people seem to have lost that when it comes to covid. Blurred by fear and emotions. Also sometimes it might be interesting to discuss other people views...such as a professor I mentioned today. Instead of discussing it, people are interpreting it as if it is 100% my view / belief and call me 'a touch of Nazi'? That's pretty warped.
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Nope, at no point were you described as a Nazi, purely the suggestion that someone should be left at risk of dying due to their was described as being very similar to a Nazi style policy.

You really should read things a bit more carefully and look at the facts....
 
Let's not pretend that age isnt relevant. If in January we had been told there was a virus in China killing thousands of children, people in their 20s or 30s the reaction of the governments and populations would have been very very different

Old people are more expendable
 
Hally said:
Let's not pretend that age isnt relevant. If in January we had been told there was a virus in China killing thousands of children, people in their 20s or 30s the reaction of the governments and populations would have been very very different

Old people are more expendable
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I was not implying that this isn't a sad fact. But it is a realistic one.
 
On an unrelated note.....

My mum fell at 10.30am this morning. Phoned 111 (non emergency healthcare) as she badly needs analgesia as in a lot of pain (thankfully I am well stocked so she is okay). Still waiting for a clinician to call back 9 hours later. This is the health service starting to collapse, fear for anyone needing urgent health care.

I'm sure there is a joke somewhere about letting her die but I'm too tired to think of it
 
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