MrHullMysterious
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Noticed a lot of Z list celebs on insta are all sodding off to Dubai and "living it large" there. Guess they have less restrictions, just hope they require neg tests for travel then again few days after arrival?
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4tothefloor
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And therein is the fundamental worry. The ICU admission median average of 61 is worryingly low. As I showed on the chart last week, if we get the top four priority groups vaccinated, these account for two thirds of deaths. The theory and hope is we can open society more after this. However, that still leaves one third and that is a massive number that is going unrecognised. The reality is that when society does open up, we will see a massive increase in infections for all none vaccinated groups as they mix. That will lead to more hospitalisations, ICU admissions and excess deaths. While the proportion of mortality will be less, there will still a lot of excess deaths outside the vaccinated groups by virtue of transmission being far greater.Yeah, you got asthma, could have lived to 80+. Sorry off you go and pop your clogs. 1/3 uk pop is classed as overweight. Bye off you shuffle.?
Also there are huge numbers of people who are cares for their relatives, so they would need to isolate.
Also interestingly half of admissions where for people under 60?
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FlatErik
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Interesting radio interview here with a former doctor and professor just now.
He says we can keep extending lockdowns without any perspective if we don't work on expanding healthcare instead of focussing on a virus.
Another interesting statement he just made...perhaps it's nature's will that we die around 70-80. Why would we want to become 80-90 per se?
We invest loads of money in 'making people older' but when they get sick...our health system collapses.
He says we can keep extending lockdowns without any perspective if we don't work on expanding healthcare instead of focussing on a virus.
Another interesting statement he just made...perhaps it's nature's will that we die around 70-80. Why would we want to become 80-90 per se?
We invest loads of money in 'making people older' but when they get sick...our health system collapses.
MrHullMysterious
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f*** sake, let's not bother with medicine. I'm really f***ing hell, I'd be knackered and already in my box.?
"Deographic research suggests that at the beginning of the 19th century no country in the world had a life expectancy longer than 40 years.2 Every country is shown in red. Almost everyone in the world lived in extreme poverty, we had very little medical knowledge, and in all countries our ancestors had to prepare for an early death."
ourworldindata.org
*goes off to dig my grave. Sorry for inconvenience of been "old"
**also goes off to shoot parents and grandparents, cause they should know better than to be a burden ?
"Deographic research suggests that at the beginning of the 19th century no country in the world had a life expectancy longer than 40 years.2 Every country is shown in red. Almost everyone in the world lived in extreme poverty, we had very little medical knowledge, and in all countries our ancestors had to prepare for an early death."
Life Expectancy
People are living longer across the world, but large differences remain. Explore global data on life expectancy and how it has changed over time.
ourworldindata.org
*goes off to dig my grave. Sorry for inconvenience of been "old"
**also goes off to shoot parents and grandparents, cause they should know better than to be a burden ?
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eclipse15
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Glad you’ve finally seen the light ?f*** sake, let's not bother with medicine. I'm really f***ing hell, I'd be knackered and already in my box.?
"Deographic research suggests that at the beginning of the 19th century no country in the world had a life expectancy longer than 40 years.2 Every country is shown in red. Almost everyone in the world lived in extreme poverty, we had very little medical knowledge, and in all countries our ancestors had to prepare for an early death."
Life Expectancy
People are living longer across the world, but large differences remain. Explore global data on life expectancy and how it has changed over time.
*goes off to dig my grave. Sorry for inconvenience of been "old"
**also goes off to shoot parents and grandparents, cause they should know better than to be a burden ?
MrHullMysterious
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The final solution. ?
Don Simon
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Put another 20 years on your age, I don't think you would be so keen to promote these ideas.
Believe me when I say those 20 years (if you're lucky enough to get them) will happen real fast!
Hally
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My mums 81, she quite enjoys seeing her grandchildren, great grandchildren and boyfriend. Hasnt expressed any desire to be dead that I've noted but may have missed it
Ive worked for 25 years trying to improve the care for and lives of people living with dementia, the vast majority of whom are 80+. I'm sure I'm not alone in finding that post a bit disconcerting
Browny
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Noticed a lot of Z list celebs on insta are all sodding off to Dubai and "living it large" there. Guess they have less restrictions, just hope they require neg tests for travel then again few days after arrival?
hopefully Dubai will remain the place to be for these types and the wannabes
MrHullMysterious
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Don't forget on your next shift to tell all those in your hospital with covid [who are near 70+] that they need to take one for the team ?
/sarcasm
diver
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Do you slow down for car crashes?
MrHullMysterious
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Probably just behind him in rear view mirror, so would be speeding up ?
FlatErik
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It's an easy pitfall to look at ourselves, our parents, grandparents...
But in the bigger scheme of things, it's something to ponder about.
All over the world the healthcare is collapsing. This year in extremis because of covid19, but (at least in The Netherlands) flu season is a very tense period for hospitals every year.
If healthcare collapses...and we have to lockdown (and thus severely damage) the rest of society to save the elderly....perhaps we've been pushing this whole life expectancy a bit too far. I thought it was an interesting take on the matter, that's all I said about it. Everyone wants to see their own parents or grandparents become 90 or 100 years old in good health, but last week I saw a woman aged 101 in Germany getting a Covid19 vaccine...you could ask yourself "why are we vaccinating this woman?" without feeling guilty towards her relatives or being a bad person.
But in the bigger scheme of things, it's something to ponder about.
All over the world the healthcare is collapsing. This year in extremis because of covid19, but (at least in The Netherlands) flu season is a very tense period for hospitals every year.
If healthcare collapses...and we have to lockdown (and thus severely damage) the rest of society to save the elderly....perhaps we've been pushing this whole life expectancy a bit too far. I thought it was an interesting take on the matter, that's all I said about it. Everyone wants to see their own parents or grandparents become 90 or 100 years old in good health, but last week I saw a woman aged 101 in Germany getting a Covid19 vaccine...you could ask yourself "why are we vaccinating this woman?" without feeling guilty towards her relatives or being a bad person.
diver
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My Nan lived until 89, never really went to the doctors. She had carers coming into her house for the last 2 years or so at HER expense. Let’s face it, probably kept someone in a job.
Similar situation with my wife’s Nan but minus the carers. 92 years, heart gave up, spent two weeks in hospital and died. Hardly a burden.
diver
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Could have worked til 80 in the local “post office” and paid taxes for all you know? Maybe she and her husband helped to save Jews in WW2?
Its not her fault science has progressed.
MrHullMysterious
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Hally
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Not about my parents, grandparents. I've chosen to devote my working life to improving the lives of those who now need to take a lot more than they can give to society. I personally believe as a society it is our duty, responsibility and privilege to do so
We clearly can afford it, it's a matter of choice and priority.
It's a dark path when we start to view some lives of more value than others
eclipse15
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Just so I’m absolutely, 100% clear here- you’re saying that because of someone’s age, they shouldn’t be entitled to the same healthcare as someone younger? Thus putting them at high risk of catching the virus and passing away as a result. Some sort of state sponsored euthanasia program where those who can no longer contribute in a specific way to society are dispensable.
That’s just a touch, erm, Nazi, isn’t it?
Switch age with disabled / Down’s Syndrome / blind / deaf / paralysed / locked in syndrome etc- would it be the same final solution in your opinion?
FlatErik
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Yet it's exactly what we do when choices need to be made? If there's just one bed left and we have a patient 60 years old or a patient 90 years old....the 60 years old gets the bed. At least that's the policy here.
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MrHullMysterious
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Also it's important to remember half of patients (in uk) are under 60. (Might have asthma though ?)
Plus Sweden adopted the "abandon the elderly" back at the start by making it really difficult for them to actually be admitted to hospital. ?
I dunno, this line of thought seems its something that would come with a free brown shirt ?
Plus Sweden adopted the "abandon the elderly" back at the start by making it really difficult for them to actually be admitted to hospital. ?
I dunno, this line of thought seems its something that would come with a free brown shirt ?
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