FlatErik
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https://www.sott.net/article/434796...rators-do-NOT-Prevent-Transmission-of-Viruses
No you're not. It's even a disadvantage of using masks...people feel safer so they loosen up the social distancing easier.
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No you're not. It's even a disadvantage of using masks...people feel safer so they loosen up the social distancing easier.
MrHullMysterious
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The Science is Conclusive: Masks and Respirators do NOT Prevent Transmission of Viruses
Comment: The following review of the scientific literature on wearing surgical and other facemasks as a means of preventing the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and thus preventing contraction of 'Covid-19' was published a month ago. And absent some...www.sott.net
Yes, Masks Work: Debunking the Pseudoscience
How does expectation bias fuel Denis Rancourt's pseudoscience on the effectiveness of masks? By making people see what they want.
2H76
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Which is exactly what I presumed.
cunninghamali
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Thats exactly why I don't trust the testing figures from any govt...they do the tests record them and we are expecting to believe that all these tests are accurate and no mistake has been made somewhere
MrHullMysterious
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The use of facemasks may not lead to an increase in hand–face contact - PMC
Advocacy of the use of facemasks by the public as a measure against the spread of COVID‐19 is controversial, with some healthcare professionals arguing that the use of a face mask may increase the rate at which people touch their faces, due to ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Love how you use the same mad head guy.
Guess someone put 20p in ya ?
MrHullMysterious
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Apparently the hit the excel internal limit. I wonder if they have a semi automated system that exports to excel for another system, hits the internal limit but carrys on with a truncated data set.?
2H76
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If I'm in a taxi (rear seat) on my own + driver, both are wearing masks, what are the odds - if one has covid unsymptomatic - of the other catching covid if (a) both had masks on (b) the carrier had a mask, the other not (c) the other way round (d) neither was wearing a mask?
To me that's a key question, that's a fairly standard situation, could be a car with a mate, taxi, bus, train etc.
To me that's a key question, that's a fairly standard situation, could be a car with a mate, taxi, bus, train etc.
2H76
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Being a bit of an amateur in all this (OK, thicko then) I would have thought, just like uploading or transferring photos on cards, when the limit is exceded or about to be there would be an on-screen warning? Never used excel or similar, but surely the same would apply, so that if somewan was uploading a huge set of figures, they don't just do it and leave it, they occasionally return to the screen?
MrHullMysterious
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You'd hope so, but I can't see it been upload failing. It either uploads completely or not at all. Half a file would be corrupt and upload would fail if site had file size limits (like images on here)
Like thought, it appears an automated process that adds new peeps to the spreadsheet failed. (Open doc add person save and close. Doesn't check if fails or tell anyone lol)
Wtf using excel as a backend db, no idea ?
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Calls for Dido Harding to resign over coronavirus testing failures
Dido Harding - the Tory peer in charge of the new Test and Trace scheme and who is set to head up the replacement for Public Health...
The problem was caused by an Excel spreadsheet reaching its maximum file size, which stopped new names being added in an automated process.
FlatErik
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Ah i see now...too quick in my reaction.
To me...the whole mask thing is the same with closing the schools in April. Symbolic-politics.
Our government advised against closing the schools based on science first. So we had a semi-lockdown with schools still open. Then teachers created an uproar, telling the media they didn't feel safe. Some parents kept their kids home. As a result schools closed after all a few days later.
Masks were not part of the new measures last week. Because our national health institute stated there is no scientific evidence for any added value.
Mayor of Amsterdam started a lobby for masks (again like she did earlier), some opposition parties joined her lobby and there we are...the government have quickly put out a urgent advise to wear one.
Based on science our national health institute looks to be in line with what Tegnell in Sweden is thinking...but the government (national and local) are caught in a fear-driven vacuum and are making other decisions.
MrHullMysterious
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2H76
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The worst thing is the astonishing silence about how low the death figures are. Is as if they want us to be scared shitless....
stivi
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@ElrowLovers you keep on posting stuff from erm...let's say 'interesting' sources ?
cunninghamali
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I may have. Posted in the wrong thread sorry
A link to sign for the petition for more funding and help from the govt re supporting clubbing, dancing and music festivals
petition.parliament.uk
A link to sign for the petition for more funding and help from the govt re supporting clubbing, dancing and music festivals
Archived Petition: Let Us Dance - Support nightclubs, dance music events and festivals
Extend funding to nightclubs, dance music events and festivals as part of the £1.57bn support package announced by the government for Britain's arts and culture sector to survive the hit from the pandemic. #LetUSDance
petition.parliament.uk
MrHullMysterious
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The death announcements where at the bottom of the excel file, whoops ?
Below is link to bbc page that shows uk stats. They've corrected last weeks for excel-gate ?
Deaths are low but hospitalization is creeping up. Let's hope it's not going to keep going up. Even if don't die, been in hospital ain't fun.
Covid inquiry: The UK pandemic in numbers
Explore the data on how the coronavirus pandemic unfolded in the UK.
www.bbc.com
FlatErik
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Could be...but...
It's backed by multiple scientific articles.
Tegnell in Sweden thinks the same about masks.
van Dissel from The Netherlands thinks the same about masks.
Perhaps the normal main stream sources are not willing to post these type of data and research?
FlatErik
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Exactly!
There was some criticism here on why there are new measures while hospital numbers and death figures are still low...so today MSM thought it would be wise to publish articles about 'long term damage'...Most people here just laugh when I say 'fear porn' but that's all it is right now.
MrHullMysterious
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Did you even read the rebuttal?
The papers he refers to don't actually show what he is trying to push. The compare resparators/masks. One is less effective than the other, sure, but they are not ineffective.
Yes, Masks Work: Debunking the Pseudoscience
How does expectation bias fuel Denis Rancourt's pseudoscience on the effectiveness of masks? By making people see what they want.
Van Dissel was great in pitch black ?
FlatErik
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Wasn't really talking about the rebuttal in this specific article alone.Did you even read the rebuttal?
The papers he refers to don't actually show what he is trying to push. The compare resparators/masks. One is less effective than the other, sure, but they are not ineffective.
Yes, Masks Work: Debunking the Pseudoscience
How does expectation bias fuel Denis Rancourt's pseudoscience on the effectiveness of masks? By making people see what they want.www.psychologytoday.com
Van Dissel was great in pitch black ?
There's lots to be found. Not only in what you guys would call Russian propaganda sites.
And it's really easy to come up with scientific article vs scientific article for every little part of discussion in Covid anyway so that's not my goal anyway.
Why would a national expert of health come up with the statement that masks have very little to no use?
Have you googled van Dissel or Tegnell to see what they think?
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