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spain update:

here on the balearics we seem to slowly stabilize in regards to numbers. the growth isn't that crazy anymore.

on the mainland a few places (madrid, andalucía) are experiencing a lot of new cases now.

generally, as mentioned a few days ago, slowly hospitalisation/ICU rates as well as deaths are creeping up again.
 
MrHullMysterious said:
This made me giggle a bit. They talked about testing on hamsters, and just imagined them having little masks on ?
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Think it's been written on here many times that we have thought the amount of virus we recieve at first determines how ill we become (certainly r/e those with no other issues) and it makse sense that if we get a very small dose, the infection will be mild and we develop immunity which helps the next time we are in contact.
I can't believe that if you are in the face of someone violently coughing with covid, or sat on the bus next so someone for 10 mins with just mild symptoms, you have an equal chance of a severe infection yourself?
 
2H76 said:
Think it's been written on here many times that we have thought the amount of virus we recieve at first determines how ill we become (certainly r/e those with no other issues) and it makse sense that if we get a very small dose, the infection will be mild and we develop immunity which helps the next time we are in contact.
I can't believe that if you are in the face of someone violently coughing with covid, or sat on the bus next so someone for 10 mins with just mild symptoms, you have an equal chance of a severe infection yourself?
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I guess lets say it takes 5 days for your immune system to get into gear and react properly (start to exhibit symptoms), and that if you have a low amount to start, 5 days replication isn't too bad. However if get a high load 5 days is significant & immune system really caught un prepared ?

Kinda like a leak in a water pipe outside. If its a trickle when you notice the ground is soggy when standing on it, bit of a problem. If it's been gushing, you notice the ground is soggy as you fall into the hole its dug underneath ? (?analogy police again lol!)

Someone who has mild symptoms probably can be shedding a lot of virus, but their body is already dealing with it. Bit like some studies show asymptomatic people can actually shed a lot of virus?‍♂️

But yeah it is all bit Russian roulette. Just don't go licking bus seat handles ?
 
stivi said:
as much as I dislike wearing them...more and more evidence masks can help us in the fight against covid

www.telegraph.co.uk

Face masks could be giving people Covid-19 immunity, researchers suggest

Mask wearing might also be reducing the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic
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Still, Dr Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease physician at the University of California, San Francisco, and one of the paper’s authors, has stressed that the commentary has its limitations and should not be construed as anything other than a theory.“
 
Twentynine said:
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Still, Dr Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease physician at the University of California, San Francisco, and one of the paper’s authors, has stressed that the commentary has its limitations and should not be construed as anything other than a theory.“
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Absolutely, thats science, a hypothesis based on some observations and then follow up with more rigorous clinical studies:

While this hypothesis needs to be backed up with more clinical study, experiments in hamsters? have hinted at a connection between dose and disease. Earlier this year, a team of researchers in China found that hamsters?? housed behind a barrier made of surgical masks were less likely to get infected by the coronavirus

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Some observations found in humans seem to support this as well. In a coronavirus outbreak on a closed Argentinian cruise ship, for example, where passengers were provided with surgical masks? and staff with N95 masks?, the rate of asymptomatic infection was 81 per cent. This is compared with 20 per cent in earlier cruise ship outbreaks without universal masking.

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MrHullMysterious said:
Absolutely, thats science, a hypothesis based on some observations and then follow up with more rigorous clinical studies:

While this hypothesis needs to be backed up with more clinical study, experiments in hamsters? have hinted at a connection between dose and disease. Earlier this year, a team of researchers in China found that hamsters?? housed behind a barrier made of surgical masks were less likely to get infected by the coronavirus

and

Some observations found in humans seem to support this as well. In a coronavirus outbreak on a closed Argentinian cruise ship, for example, where passengers were provided with surgical masks? and staff with N95 masks?, the rate of asymptomatic infection was 81 per cent. This is compared with 20 per cent in earlier cruise ship outbreaks without universal masking.

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Damm mr Hull you must spend some time researching! Fair play brother, knowledge is power ?
 
From a not at all scientific personal perspective nearly all the symptomatic cases in staff were at the very start before we wore PPE. Once we were wearing (just) surgical masks virtually no symptomatic cases in staff (none so far in my team who all worked on the front line throughout)

In Birmingham cases in hospital very much on the rise, also heard we are getting a lot more in ICU.
 
2H76 said:
OK, that's September gone, just transferred my Ryanair flights to next October (21) and paid a whopper for the privilege, will book the hotel nearer the time. If Covid's still around and no vaccine by then we really are up Shitstreet WC1.
If things don't improve by the end of next week, then this October gets binned too.
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Unlikely I'll use my flight in September now. Will need to consider whether it's worth transferring to next year... Not researched what the cost is.
 
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