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MrHullMysterious
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I guess it's a rock & hard place for gov and scientists. No practical way to mass test active viral load, but can mass test for presence of virus. So either tell those with positive test to play it safe, or don't & have mixed messaging and potential for it to spread like wild fire.
Also guess would be hard to tell if on up or down curve of your infection (both would register as low viral load)
The science is always evolving. They will in time have more fine graded tests as well as develop ones for specific t-cells against covid. But these are all the tools we have at min ?
(Bit like urine tests for cancer, can test loads of people but need follow up scan to be sure. Wouldn't be too keen on getting a positive and been told no need for follow up as you'll probably be ok)
Edit: I guess as individuals on here we can read and understand that. But from gov point of view it's high risk as masses tend not to do well with nuanced messages. Eg Debbie from Essex sees "positive test might not mean you are infecious" and thinks great, don't have to bother isolating. Multiply by a large number.
Hopefully the work to standardise all the tests and figure out a cutoff point that doesn't let too many through will be done asap.
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What is the global death toll now? Last I checked it was 750,000+. That in itself will have massive economic repercussions. I can understand why governments are erring on the side of caution of this. We are "only" 8 months in
Anybody who has the pleasure of contact with vulnerable people know how impractical and, i have to be honest, a little inhumane "lock down the vulnerable" sounds, if it were even that simple anyway. For every vulnerable person, you can expect at least 2 carers. Each of whom will have their own family. A great many people within the caring profession are mothers and grandmothers themselves. Do you start to see how "lock down the vulnerable" isn't quite so simple as it sounds
Anybody who has the pleasure of contact with vulnerable people know how impractical and, i have to be honest, a little inhumane "lock down the vulnerable" sounds, if it were even that simple anyway. For every vulnerable person, you can expect at least 2 carers. Each of whom will have their own family. A great many people within the caring profession are mothers and grandmothers themselves. Do you start to see how "lock down the vulnerable" isn't quite so simple as it sounds
The Sun God
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Aside from masks, travel and parties, life is kind of normal-ish for us now. Not that different to any year where you do everything locally. Everyone I know is a bit depressed but equally resilient. The sun/sea has helped a lot. As winter approaches and we head indoors, the lack of music/ent is going to hurt a lot
MrHullMysterious
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You forgot to include fat people, diabetics, asthma, plus anyone with a dozen other conditions that would need to "shield". Also people with low vitamin D as well are at risk. Should be easy to isolate them from the rest ?
Death toll 880k so far
McRackin
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Irresponsables y violentos
Mientras gritaban «libertad» se dedicaron a amenazar e increpar a los trabajadores de este periódico y de la Televisió d’Eivissa i Formentera, a quienes incluso intentaron arrancar la mascarilla.
www.periodicodeibiza.es
Una bomba andante por las calles de Ibiza
Los gritos de «libertad», «fuera mascarillas» o «no a la dictadura» chirriaron en mis oídos durante el tiempo en el que estas personas protestaron. Muchos jóvenes, de mi edad. No tenemos ni idea de lo que es una dictadura...
www.periodicodeibiza.es
Irresponsabilidad y pasividad
Es una grave irresponsabilidad concentrarse sin cumplir con las preceptivas medidas de seguridad por el elevado riesgo de contagio masivo que supone, agravado por la dificultad de rastreo que supone una masa heterogénea.
www.periodicodeibiza.es
And that's only the Periodico. We could continue with the rest but you get an idea..
Too much cases in whole spain. Too much cases on the islands.
Thats the only reason for the measures , if they come. The deahts are coming some time after the infections because you are in ICU for a couple of days. Next thing is : They have betzer treathments against covid.They lowered the death rate in some heavy cases
Thats the only reason for the measures , if they come. The deahts are coming some time after the infections because you are in ICU for a couple of days. Next thing is : They have betzer treathments against covid.They lowered the death rate in some heavy cases
el_loco
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This is a new virus where we learn something new everyday. Who‘s to say that even among the resilient younger people, who have little symptoms if any at all, there won‘t be any long term damages to their organs? There are indications and I for one do not want to catch thus virus, even if I am unlikely to die from it. Also there are terrible stories of people suffering for months even AFTER they had corona, and they are in their twenties and thirties. If you are among those young seriously affected, it won’t help knowing that you are in a minority.
stivi
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on the ibiza mini lockdowns thing - if you read this you'll understand why the other day I insisted on the fact nothing is decided yet. the tone has changed and I believe they will try their utmost to avoid them
www.diariodeibiza.es
Vila y Sant Antoni alejan el riesgo de confinamiento si logran reducir sus contagios
El Govern tranquiliza a los alcaldes un día después de haber anunciado fuertes restricciones
MrHullMysterious
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This is the problem and already evidence of asymptomatic people suffering increased stroke and so on. Was watching something about the mortuary people doing autopsies; the lungs of those who died in icu had lungs that where firm and weird, not spongy like normal. Something they've never seen before.
Plus lots people like my friend who are young but with reduced lung function afterwards.
Viruses are responsible for a lot of illnesses, probably many we are not even aware of yet. I'd prefer not to play Russian roulette, others are free to make their own choice so long as it doesn't remove the choice from others (the vulnerable)
Shame it wasn't just gingers affected, would be easy to isolate and protect them ??
FlatErik
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I think you are right.
Must say I can only talk for the Netherlands...and they haven't really tried to be honest. They just locked everyone up.
Nobody is willing and brave enough to experiment a bit. Except for Germany perhaps with the concert two weeks ago.
Time has come for a different approach and really isolate the vulnerable. Harsh? Yeah. But keeping this up, lockdowns on and off, economy on 30%, other healthcare lacking, peoples mental health going south....it does a lot more damage for the society as a whole.
FlatErik
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Now this is what I call fear-porn.
If you are afraid of long term Covid-damages while not having Covid-symptoms now at all...that's the same as being afraid of a cancer tumor in your body while not discovered yet. Or affraid that a car might run you over so you just say at home to prevent it.
Show me all those terrible stories of people suffering for months? I know there are a few....but you can find those stories in 2016 too from people suffering from a heavy flu. We have to keep in mind it's still a really really really small percentage of young and healthy people having serious issues from this virus.
Justified fear (while I'm still critical about the reaction and measures but ok...)
- New Virus
- Wuhan Dead bodies on the tv
- Hospital numbers going up rapidly / ICU units overflooded
Manufactured fear (mainstream media thought the initial fear was not enough)
- Masks
- Lockdowns
- Long term effects
- Reinfections
- Antibodies going away after a while (as with every virus!)
- School closures
craig72
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Hey Leave the fat people out of this,they have enough on their plate...?
MrHullMysterious
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I know what you're trying to say but do try and do a little research ?
"...Antibody half-life varies tremendously, from about 11 years for tetanus to over 200 years for measles ..."
How Long Do I Retain Immunity? (Published 2018)
Antibody half-life varies tremendously, from about 11 years for tetanus to over 200 years for measles and mumps.
craig72
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Who remembers the videos of people in China at the start of this collapsing on the streets, in hospital car parks , people just stepping over them and leaving the on the ground... Funny we don't see that happening now
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The Sun God
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I'm not going to lock my mum in a box just so that you can play with your party balloons.
MrHullMysterious
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Yeah, I guess cause china enforces strict local lockdowns where can't leave your housing block and have food brought to you? ?
Tbf I'd like a service like that ?
FlatErik
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To usually 6 months with every other corona type virus. So it's pretty normal to get a flu vaccin every year....and in the future it will be pretty normal to have a flu vaccin including Covid19 every year. No reason for the MSM to spread articles like: "ANTIBODIES COVID19 DIE AFTER WEEKS"I know what you're trying to say but do try and do a little research ?
"...Antibody half-life varies tremendously, from about 11 years for tetanus to over 200 years for measles ..."
How Long Do I Retain Immunity? (Published 2018)
Antibody half-life varies tremendously, from about 11 years for tetanus to over 200 years for measles and mumps.www.nytimes.com
Comparing it to tetanus or measles is just apples and pears.
craig72
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Did we see people dropping to the ground over here... My Mrs does work with addicts who share everything from tents to everything else and hasn't heard of one person getting Corona either have anyone she works with..Yeah, I guess cause china enforces strict local lockdowns where can't leave your housing block and have food brought to you? ?
Tbf I'd like a service like that ?
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