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chez
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would like to get peoples opinions here, is the majority of people here anti or pro vaccine? with the realisation and growing concern in U.S that a mandatory vaccine is on its way just wondered how people would feel if it was mandatory?
I personally don't judge anyone thats pro for it but I certainly wouldn't want any vaccine any where near me, same with flu shots Im healthy and don't trust having some rushed vaccine injected into my system especially not knowing full well what is in it and with Gates funding what seems like many of the research labs
I just think if people feel they will have piece of mind from it let them crack on but mandatory anything seems criminal to me, this virus doesn't govern it in the slightest in my eyes especially not if your young and healthy.. also if you think everyone has to be vaccinated for yours to work then its almost an admittance you really don't believe the vaccines even work?
I personally don't judge anyone thats pro for it but I certainly wouldn't want any vaccine any where near me, same with flu shots Im healthy and don't trust having some rushed vaccine injected into my system especially not knowing full well what is in it and with Gates funding what seems like many of the research labs
I just think if people feel they will have piece of mind from it let them crack on but mandatory anything seems criminal to me, this virus doesn't govern it in the slightest in my eyes especially not if your young and healthy.. also if you think everyone has to be vaccinated for yours to work then its almost an admittance you really don't believe the vaccines even work?
AntonioGeordio
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Just seeing on the morning news that they believe it was a stockpile of ammonium nitrate.
This makes a lot more sense to me now than the fireworks story they were putting out. Unless of course they are pioneering some sort of NASA style Catherine wheel.
Looking at the footage as well you can see something ‘cooking off’ in the moments before the second explosion.
The secondary blast carries a lot of vapour in the shockwave too, due to the proximity to the water line in the port I would imagine.
I have used the military graded version of ammonium nitrate many times, referred to as ANFO in its granular form and it is extremely effective. Coupled with a shaped charge fired vertically, you can easily create massive craters in a very short space of time with quantities small enough to be carried by an individual soldier. You can literally pour the grains in and fire it with a small booster charge on det cord. Used in conjunction and fired simultaneously a small team can totally deny something like an airfield or a main supply route with massively deep and wide craters, causing massive headaches for an enemy.
Was a favourite for many terrorist groups in IED construction, like dissident republicans and Middle East factions like LH over the years as it is commercially available.
Don’t worry I’m on several government lists ?
So the size of the blast isn’t as shocking as the fact that they have chosen to store this highly volatile material in close proximity to the civilian population.
They’ve had a shit time with Coronavirus and a poor economic situation in Lebanon, this is something they could definitely do without. Plus the damage done to their port area and surrounding infrastructure could have some dire long term consequences.
Poor fcukers. 2020 wont give up.
This makes a lot more sense to me now than the fireworks story they were putting out. Unless of course they are pioneering some sort of NASA style Catherine wheel.
Looking at the footage as well you can see something ‘cooking off’ in the moments before the second explosion.
The secondary blast carries a lot of vapour in the shockwave too, due to the proximity to the water line in the port I would imagine.
I have used the military graded version of ammonium nitrate many times, referred to as ANFO in its granular form and it is extremely effective. Coupled with a shaped charge fired vertically, you can easily create massive craters in a very short space of time with quantities small enough to be carried by an individual soldier. You can literally pour the grains in and fire it with a small booster charge on det cord. Used in conjunction and fired simultaneously a small team can totally deny something like an airfield or a main supply route with massively deep and wide craters, causing massive headaches for an enemy.
Was a favourite for many terrorist groups in IED construction, like dissident republicans and Middle East factions like LH over the years as it is commercially available.
Don’t worry I’m on several government lists ?
So the size of the blast isn’t as shocking as the fact that they have chosen to store this highly volatile material in close proximity to the civilian population.
They’ve had a shit time with Coronavirus and a poor economic situation in Lebanon, this is something they could definitely do without. Plus the damage done to their port area and surrounding infrastructure could have some dire long term consequences.
Poor fcukers. 2020 wont give up.
AntonioGeordio
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I think I read on here from one of the clued up posters that not everyone has to be vaccinated. Just a percentage of people vaccinated can help slow the virus down as it has less hosts?
Or something like that?
But yeah, if you make something mandatory I think people will be a bit reluctant ?
MrHullMysterious
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The whole gates thing is a conspiracy theory, probs pushed by the Russians (who want to destabilise the west). The vaccines in trials won't be available till early next year due to current safety trials, so don't worry too much about side effects. If "them" wanted to get something into you as conspiracy theory nutters say, best stop eating and breathing! Lol (tech they say they have would negate need for injecting it?)
Reported side effects in the current trials are from peeps receiving the high dose, but where only transient. (They do low med high to figure out what works & expect peeps to react diff to them). Also a lot of the vaccines are based off what they did for SARS which was tested for a long time, but actually proved not effective but safe.
I don't think it should be or will be forced mandatory injection, just if you don't have it you'd be less able to travel or go to school etc until the majority had it. Like the measles vaccine, the very young etc can't have it but are at high risk from measles so rely on the rest of us having it to protect them. The idiot doctor who made up data to show vaccines cause autism has in effect got on his hands the increased death of babies from measles.
This vaccine is gonna be possibly the most scrutinised in history, so they are going to want to be damn sure it's safe. Meanwhile in Russia they are starting mass vaccination in October, which WHO are saying, whoa, stop that! (Probs from vaccine in trials they stole from west lol)
As for the "I'm healthy and don't need vaccines", appreciate how you feel, but do you think if got infected with HIV, polio, dengue fever, ebola and so on you'd be fine? Vaccines are there to give your immune system a heads up, just cause you are in good health does not mean you are immune. (Re see more peeps under 40 now been admitted in Europe for covid)
True you might not die, and majority don't, but go and read up on people's experiences who've had a moderate+ severity of covid. Lung scaring, risk of blood clots and strokes and all the other things we've not yet uncovered. So make your decision and your free choice, but make sure it's an informed one. You can't undo lung scaring, or losing loved ones cause not enough people wanted to be immunised. (Its going to take 2+ years to immunise enough people in west I hear)
Tl:dr: its not the seasonal flu. You may end up with months or years of recovery.?
Thank you for listening to this public health broadcast ?
MrHullMysterious
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And I should say while I am pro, I will still be a little nervous having it. Its like when a new model of xbox comes out, you wait a few months for revision b to come out ?
Think if people read up on history and how life was before vaccines or penicillin, realise how important they are to our improved health and life. You might not get small pox anymore because of vaccination in the past ?
If "them" want to screw us over, far easier to just get us into mountains of debt... oh wait ?
Think if people read up on history and how life was before vaccines or penicillin, realise how important they are to our improved health and life. You might not get small pox anymore because of vaccination in the past ?
If "them" want to screw us over, far easier to just get us into mountains of debt... oh wait ?
chez
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I hope that is the case mate, I hope it does go through the proper testing before mass release, I still stand by the fact no one should be made / forced to have a vaccine and I honestly believe if they don't make it mandatory a hell of a lot more people will feel more comfortable with the whole situation. Im sitting on the fence for a good reason and that is im still yet to even know anyone that has had it or anyone that knows anyone so from my perspective I don't feel the need to be having a vaccine.. If I was to experience someone close to me go through it im sure I would look at things differently but at the minute I just don't feel that way
as for Gates im sure he has had fabricated stories made up about him, but the whole case with the how ever many thousand families claiming Gates Polio vaccine has sterilised and paralysed masses and masses its hard not to walk towards this thing without some sort of fear, although im not a conspiracy theorist and try to ignore crazy talk it does still linger in your head
thanks for your insight, loads of valid points.. if people could just discuss and not automatically either be on side A or B I believe a lot of the hysteria would be squashed
chez
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I don't know ive not had any treatment my self but valid point, I guess the fear lies around the fact its trial and error, anything new is a concern always
This attitude is the Everest of western arrogance
You (me, all of us) are a marvel of modern medicine and our health care. A freaking marvel. Don't take that for granted
chez
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that's exactly it mate
chez
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maybe so, but that's just one mans opinion.. nothing wrong with trying to gather more opinions to broaden my horizon though, no?
The Sun God
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vaccines should be mandatory for everyone once they are officially sanctioned
I remember when the notorious Dr Wakefield claimed MMR jabs were linked to autism, a lot of parents stopped vaccinating their kids in panic. It's totally irresponsible.
I remember when the notorious Dr Wakefield claimed MMR jabs were linked to autism, a lot of parents stopped vaccinating their kids in panic. It's totally irresponsible.
Especially given that cattle worming medicine is used heavily as a cutting agent nowadays , apparently
Yum
The vaccine is not given to all and doesnt work for all. For example : Some vaccines only work for 90 Percent. Or they hadnt the oppurtunity to give it to some people.
That means you need something for the people with symtoms.
chez
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I do agree with that, but personally doesn't apply to my self as partying on anything but drink is something I grew out off in my early twenties ..like I say peoples views interest me I was just discussing as to where im at with it all from a non medical savy mind and where others are.. maybe the issue isn't just everyone is arrogant but haven't come across information to sway their thoughts
MrHullMysterious
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Just on measles for those interested :
www.who.int
And this is a useful read describing what the covid19 rna encodes for. Some proteins are a mystery but many are known and how they affect the immune system etc:
www.nytimes.com
The point is, yes seasonal flu, the common cold and covid are all coronaviruses, but that doesn't mean if you don't get cold or flu bad you're going to be fine.
Does your body not get affected by the proteins that help it deflect or hide from the immune system? Hard to know. If you have a certain neanderthal DNA sequence apparently you're going to be at higher risk.
But still a big gamble and it's the immune system been sent out of wack which is killing people and causing long term health issues.
The point of a vaccine is to put training wheels on your immune system before it is exposed to the real thing, so you don't end up in a bad way, and 2nd benefit is you don't spread it to anyone else.
If you think it's a government plot or ploy, seems a pretty bad way of destabilising financial systems and the economy, which let's face it, it's the main interests for those in power and top 1%?
Just my thoughts?
More than 140,000 die from measles as cases surge worldwide
Worldwide more than 140,000 people died from measles in 2018, according to new estimates from WHO and CDC. These deaths occurred as measles cases surged globally, amidst devastating outbreaks in all regions. Most deaths were among children under 5 years of age.
And this is a useful read describing what the covid19 rna encodes for. Some proteins are a mystery but many are known and how they affect the immune system etc:
Bad News Wrapped in Protein: Inside the Coronavirus Genome (Published 2020)
The virus injects a tiny but remarkably complex strand of RNA into infected cells.
The point is, yes seasonal flu, the common cold and covid are all coronaviruses, but that doesn't mean if you don't get cold or flu bad you're going to be fine.
Does your body not get affected by the proteins that help it deflect or hide from the immune system? Hard to know. If you have a certain neanderthal DNA sequence apparently you're going to be at higher risk.
But still a big gamble and it's the immune system been sent out of wack which is killing people and causing long term health issues.
The point of a vaccine is to put training wheels on your immune system before it is exposed to the real thing, so you don't end up in a bad way, and 2nd benefit is you don't spread it to anyone else.
If you think it's a government plot or ploy, seems a pretty bad way of destabilising financial systems and the economy, which let's face it, it's the main interests for those in power and top 1%?
Just my thoughts?
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