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CasaNegron said:
Meanwhile... in the USA

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Florida health official says man who died in motorcycle crash listed as coronavirus death - Washington Examiner

Questions are being raised about Florida’s coronavirus death toll reporting after a man who died in a motorcycle accident was listed in the COVID-19 death count. Dr. Raul Pino, an Orange County health officer, told Fox 35 News that a supposed coronavirus victim in his 20s died in a motorcycle...
www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com

Aparently, they wanted to look deeper into why someone in their 20s with no underlying health conditions died. Not saying that the virus is bullshit but something aint right...
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It is a massive ar*e-covering exercise IMO. Same with these so-called experts and scientists saying there will be second spike in autumn, and that we are relaxing the lockdown too soon etc. They don't want to be held to account after being caught with their pants down in March, so they are coming out with the worse-case scenario option. Where has the spike been after all these protests, raves, people on the beach etc? Exactly...the death rates in total are lower for this time of year than they were last year...
 
TimmiT said:
Evidence?
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If you had covid positive test up to 2 months before your death, covid is counted as a contributing factor and thus death totals.

In Scotland, Wales, NI it's only 28 days, and the gov wants a review of England's figures so that if someone dies of cancer and had covid, covid isn't counted.

Imho it's not gonna make a massive difference & covid probably did make your demise sooner. Looking at excess deaths, it's even higher than covid death count, so I think the figures are not going change much.

Short of it is government's trying to make figures look less bad. USA making hospitals not to report figures to CDC anymore but the Whitehouse. UK gov looking at trying to stop daily figures been published (and just leaving us with the bi-weekly ONS figures instead)

While deaths on the whole are down, which is good. Numbers of infections are going through the roof. This is bad cause a) lots of people needing hospital treatment, even if fortunately don't die. b) a virus with a big reservoir of hosts to keep circulating through is going to mutate more: let's hope it doesn't mutate for the worse.

Its not just a little cold for too many people. ?‍♂️
 
Ps daily deaths are creeping up again, bear in mind Europe is going down which is good, but India and poorer countries are massively under reporting (india, people dying without getting a test are not counted etc)
 

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chez said:
Yeah I've read simular stuff mate, its annoying as to why though, surely if the virus is infact so deadly the numbers would speak for them self no need to fix them

Falsifying numbers just doesn't sit right with me opens up a boat load of questions and that is what it looks like they have done
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High numbers incite fear and fear makes people sit up and pay attention.

There’s so many things our goverment has done wrong during this pandemic. The fudging of the numbers is just one mark on a long list :(
 
craig72 said:
Probably getting paid more saying corona death. Keep the family away,quick burial and God only knows where the. body goes...?
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Yeah there is a thing called “ash cash” which is what Dr’s get paid for each death certificate they sign. I’ve heard from a few different people who work in the NHS that the sum of money paid to the Dr’s was increased by approx £40 for each cerificate that cited “covid”
 
lee111s said:
High numbers incite fear and fear makes people sit up and pay attention.

There’s so many things our goverment has done wrong during this pandemic. The fudging of the numbers is just one mark on a long list :(
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Absolutely . The main one of the top of my head was the whole lets put patients in care homes

When this first came to light that happend

That is peak of the silly grid
 
lee111s said:
High numbers incite fear and fear makes people sit up and pay attention.

There’s so many things our goverment has done wrong during this pandemic. The fudging of the numbers is just one mark on a long list :(
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Let's post a list shall we? Only updated until a few weeks back so there's probably 20 more to add on..

PPE stockpiles run down over a number of years.
Boris misses 5 consecutive Cobra meetings in Jan/Feb
Herd immunity strategy
Johnson running around shaking hands in hospitals
Johnson appears on This Morning saying ‘We should take the new coronavirus on the chin
Johnson goes to a 6 nations rugby match
Liverpool v Valencia game goes ahead
Cheltenham festival goes ahead
Test and Trace stopped
Government doesn’t join the invite to an EU ventilator scheme due to an ‘email error’
Travel restrictions from China and Italy lifted
Not shutting borders - 20k Spanish arriving per day in March
Delaying lock down
Boris tells nation not to frequent cafes, clubs and restaurants, but keeps them all open
Boris launches a scheme to build more ventilators, calling it ‘Operation Last Gasp’
A proportion of 25,000 care home residents who were sent from hospitals back to care homes, were done so without having been tested
Boris announces at 5pm on a Friday pubs and nightclubs are to close
PPE shortages
We’re following the science
Priti Patel
PPE ordered from a t-shirt salesman in Turkey. Only 10% of stock order arrives. Later, the equipment is deemed as not meeting UK standards and is useable
Cummings going to Downing St with symptoms
Cummings driving the length of the country
Cummings’ eye test. Durham Castle
PPE crisis
Watch your tone Hancock in HoC
Missed target set on March 18 to carry out 25,000 tests a day by mid-April. 18,500 tests were carried out at that stage
Government orders 17.5m tests of an antibody test. The test is unreliable. Government seeks a refund.
The Virus surges through care homes
Prof Angela McLean in the daily briefing states ‘a rapid and reliable testing system is an entirely operational issue’ and ‘it clearly is possible to set up testing systems with a 48 hour turnaround’. She does not appear in a daily briefing again after those comments
Sending 40,000 tests in the post on April 30th to claim an arbitrary 100,000 test per day target has been met
Stay Alert slogan
Refusing to compare or learn from other countries
Counting gloves as 2 pcs of PPE to inflation figures
No longer showing the comparison cumulative death total slide at the daily briefing. The UK is second in total deaths
Nasal tests and Swab tests on an individual are double counted
Number of daily tests on people unavailable for 3 weeks+
Refusing to sack cummings
Truth Twisters
Appointing Dido Harding to head Track and Trace, who previously as CEO of Talk Talk experienced a cyber attack resulting in up to 4m customers bank details being accessed
Abandoned a planned mid-May launch for the ‘world beating’ contact-tracing app
Contact-tracing app now expected to be available during the winter. The very next day, the ‘world beating’ NHS app is dropped after 2 months of development, for the Google/Apple app
£1.7bn of state contracts given to private firms without competitive tender in during Covid-19 crisis. One company, PestFix, a pest control company which has net assets of £18,000 and employs 16 people, were given a £108m contract to produce PPE
Getting Emily Maitlis removed from Newsnight
Claiming 200,000 tests a day target has been met, due to having capacity to test 200,000 people
Prof Jonathan Van Tam disappears from the Coronavirus briefings after his comment ‘the lockdown rules are clear and they have always been clear” that they apply to all’, in relation to Cummings
made clear his displeasure at Mr Cummings’ conduct, saying
During a daily briefing, Boris making up on the huff plans for summer catch up for some students
Chief nurse, Ruth May, dropped from Downing Street coronavirus briefing after refusing to back Dominic Cummings
Care homes sent multiple amounts more tests than requested to inflate testing figures
Covid outbreak in Test & Trace contact centre
50,000+ dead
 
lewistacey said:
What is that? daily deaths worldwide?

Europe is very very low now
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Yup. Europe is doing ok at min as we seem to have burned through a lot of old and vulnerable people before managing to now protect them better ?

Stats based on what government's report, so under reporting in a lot of places but gives ideas of general trends delta's

www.worldometers.info

Coronavirus Update (Live): 110,901,994 Cases and 2,454,102 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info
 
lee111s said:
Yeah there is a thing called “ash cash” which is what Dr’s get paid for each death certificate they sign. I’ve heard from a few different people who work in the NHS that the sum of money paid to the Dr’s was increased by approx £40 for each cerificate that cited “covid”
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"A spokesperson for the British Medical Association (BMA) told Reuters that there is no fee for signing a medical certificate of cause of death (MCCD), regardless of diagnosis."



Public Health England were over-stating the figures. For England. The other nations were doing it differently, and the overall picture isn't all that different even taking into account the likely inflation of those who died more than a month after contracting Covid (with such a new disease it's still unknown what long term damage, lasting affects and contribution to death it can cause). There's nothing sinister behind it, much as some of you would like to believe - it's just a case of no universally accepted method and standard for recording statistics like this. Spain had similar issues when they revised their figures down and reported no deaths for several days which flew in the face of all physical evidence being reported, because of how they recorded the stats.
 
Other than getting smashed by a bus or hit with a falling piano after having had Covid previously, there is a lot of longer lasting effects from
Having Covid that we don’t know, for example I work in a cardiac coronary care unit and respond to cardiac arrests in our hospital, there has been a serious rise in young people dying and almost dying with thrombus related complications, a big rise in patients stroking and having other coagulopathic complications.
I did see a piece on bbc news about it recently, covid is going to have longer lasting effects for people who have had it.
Fortunately my antibody This this week was negative.
I Will be in Ibiza in 3 weeks time.
 
Paris400 said:
OK - if you're transiting through London to Ibiza with a US Passport you're ok to enter? What's the latest on when Americans will be able to travel to Spain from the US?
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It's in the article you just posted:

Who can travel from the US to Spain?
The European council' statement says: "For countries where travel restrictions continue to apply, the following categories of people should be exempted from the restrictions:
  • EU citizens and their family members
  • long-term EU residents and their family members
  • travellers with an essential function or need, as listed in the recommendation.
So no, traveling through an EU country on your way to Spain will not grant you entry unless you qualify as an essential worker:

In the European council's recommendation these are the "Specific categories of travellers with an essential function or need":
  • Healthcare professionals, health researchers, and elderly care professionals; Frontier workers;
  • Seasonal workers in agriculture;
  • Transport personnel;
  • Diplomats, staff of international organisations and people invited by international organisations whose physical presence is required for the well-functioning of these organisations, military personnel and humanitarian aid workers and civil protection personnel in the exercise of their functions;
  • Passengers in transit;
  • Passengers travelling for imperative family reasons;
  • Seafarers
  • Persons in need of international protection or for other humanitarian reasons
  • Third-country nationals travelling for the purpose of study;
  • Highly qualified third-country workers if their employment is necessary from an economic perspective and the work cannot be postponed or performed abroad.
 
B_Falls said:
It's in the article you just posted:

Who can travel from the US to Spain?
The European council' statement says: "For countries where travel restrictions continue to apply, the following categories of people should be exempted from the restrictions:
  • EU citizens and their family members
  • long-term EU residents and their family members
  • travellers with an essential function or need, as listed in the recommendation.
So no, traveling through an EU country on your way to Spain will not grant you entry unless you qualify as an essential worker:

In the European council's recommendation these are the "Specific categories of travellers with an essential function or need":
  • Healthcare professionals, health researchers, and elderly care professionals; Frontier workers;
  • Seasonal workers in agriculture;
  • Transport personnel;
  • Diplomats, staff of international organisations and people invited by international organisations whose physical presence is required for the well-functioning of these organisations, military personnel and humanitarian aid workers and civil protection personnel in the exercise of their functions;
  • Passengers in transit;
  • Passengers travelling for imperative family reasons;
  • Seafarers
  • Persons in need of international protection or for other humanitarian reasons
  • Third-country nationals travelling for the purpose of study;
  • Highly qualified third-country workers if their employment is necessary from an economic perspective and the work cannot be postponed or performed abroad.
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Yeah, I saw that when I first read the article. The European Council should add responsible people who test negative and wear masks and want to support the economy as essential!
 
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