stivi
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glad you see it similarly...
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glad you see it similarly...
stivi
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I think the only way to keep the countries open until there's a solution to covid is by being super quick in deciding and if necessary shutting down immediately certain areas if there's spikes where they can't trace contagion anymore. this is what the southeast asian countries are good at and catalonia has made a perfect example of how NOT to handle it
So we have decided to go ahead with our ibiza holiday at the end of September. It was supposed to be my big 40th blowout, so it will be more sedated, but there's still a decent group of us going.
With clubs being shut I'm looking to spend my actual 40th on a nice beach by a nice bars / restaurant, have nice food, then listen to good (loudish) music as it gets dark.. (I realise no dancing but still good music would be appreciated)
I've mainly been to Jockey Club, Blue Marlin and Chiringuito.. In current circumstances which places that are open would you recommend for best "all rounder" to spend all day in?
With clubs being shut I'm looking to spend my actual 40th on a nice beach by a nice bars / restaurant, have nice food, then listen to good (loudish) music as it gets dark.. (I realise no dancing but still good music would be appreciated)
I've mainly been to Jockey Club, Blue Marlin and Chiringuito.. In current circumstances which places that are open would you recommend for best "all rounder" to spend all day in?
cunninghamali
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Madrid have done well so far, not many new cases at all, also there have been parties but only open air and very limited capacity
Thanks mate, will have a look at those.
Funny after 18 years of going to Ibiza, aside from Bora Bora in the early years, I've never really done the beach bars all day and night.
Never too late to try!
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lewistacey
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I was called out for being incorrect about saying the virus is dying out. I hope this is the right thread.
Just some information regarding the current/recent effect of covid and why the fear now is not warranted. Just need governments to be brave enough to catch up and make decisions.
One example here, covid deaths from march 3rd until july 6th. less people are dying now of anything than normally this time of year, let alone from covid.
Just some information regarding the current/recent effect of covid and why the fear now is not warranted. Just need governments to be brave enough to catch up and make decisions.
One example here, covid deaths from march 3rd until july 6th. less people are dying now of anything than normally this time of year, let alone from covid.
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stivi
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while I get what you say, it does not prove the virus is dying out. the only thing this proves is that luckily, far less people are dying of it currently here in spain. and this is because one, elderly people (who were the main cluster of people that died in spring due to covid) are currently extremely protected because they know how serious it can be for them and two, there has been progress as to how treat people that get it badly. in march and april the hospitals were overwhelmed with both the amount of cases as well as the fact they had something completely new to fight against. now they know much better how to handle patients - even if there isn't a proper 100% working cure yet.
look I genuinely wish the virus was dying out, but that statement IMO is just not correct.
lewistacey
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I understand your point, and that what you say is echoed throughout mainstream media. I don't even dispute what you say exactly, everything you said is true, AND the virus is seasonal, like all corona viruses. There is immunity through exposure, mostly not even requiring the production of antibodies.
This is evident as almost all countries have seen very similar declines no matter how differently they locked down, socially distanced, or carried on as normal. The virus exposure to humans follows something called the gompertz curve. This was identified by nobel prize winning scientists like Dr Michael Levitt back in March. He predicted what happened almost exactly and is still being proved right to this day.
see the attached picture showingcovid deaths per million for a number of countries with varying degrees of lockdown and treatment. It has decreased, seasonally in every area north of the tropics since mid april. Regardless of the measures taken
This is evident as almost all countries have seen very similar declines no matter how differently they locked down, socially distanced, or carried on as normal. The virus exposure to humans follows something called the gompertz curve. This was identified by nobel prize winning scientists like Dr Michael Levitt back in March. He predicted what happened almost exactly and is still being proved right to this day.
see the attached picture showingcovid deaths per million for a number of countries with varying degrees of lockdown and treatment. It has decreased, seasonally in every area north of the tropics since mid april. Regardless of the measures taken
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chez
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cases on the rise because of more and more testing too, the question is has the strain become weaker aswell.. UK last week admitted they have over exaggerated the figures ..but by how much? toward the end of the year we will get a better idea of true figures because all the other factors of death, natural causes will be right down compared to the previous year and we will know know the stats for Covid must be wrong
time will tell but we are learning more all the time, the media is still trying to push their one narrative of fear fear fear though annoyingly
time will tell but we are learning more all the time, the media is still trying to push their one narrative of fear fear fear though annoyingly
At any time it dissapears maybe as all other diseases. Spanish flu was the same.
But not after 6 months , I think.
This year is over for clubbing , optimistc for mid of next year. Vaccine , cure or something else ... Maybe , maybe not ...
The problem I see : Hope there are a couple of clubs , bars and other things left. Its a long time until next year , there will close a lot of , until then. In Ibiza , Berlin , UK and elsewhere. Pandemic over , Clubs close ? Dont hope so. I fear , most of the bars in Ibz will not survive a second year like this.
But not after 6 months , I think.
This year is over for clubbing , optimistc for mid of next year. Vaccine , cure or something else ... Maybe , maybe not ...
The problem I see : Hope there are a couple of clubs , bars and other things left. Its a long time until next year , there will close a lot of , until then. In Ibiza , Berlin , UK and elsewhere. Pandemic over , Clubs close ? Dont hope so. I fear , most of the bars in Ibz will not survive a second year like this.
Ibizapaul
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I read that the Uk have been putting down Covid 19 as cause of death even if someone had fully recovered from the virus and then 2 months later got run over by a bus! No wonder our figures look so bad....
chez
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Yeah I've read simular stuff mate, its annoying as to why though, surely if the virus is infact so deadly the numbers would speak for them self no need to fix them
Falsifying numbers just doesn't sit right with me opens up a boat load of questions and that is what it looks like they have done
11 known cases in ibiza is close to corona free. the 8 cases in formentera are a warning
I think its save to go to holiday there , if the flight is save , too. Its saver than in most european countries. If someting happens , they can react in a small scale.
Anyone heard about problems caused by flying ? I heard nothing about infections in planes.
I think its save to go to holiday there , if the flight is save , too. Its saver than in most european countries. If someting happens , they can react in a small scale.
Anyone heard about problems caused by flying ? I heard nothing about infections in planes.
Ibizapaul
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Typical of us Brits mate...I bet no other country in the world record their figures like this. Can you imagine Russia or China doing it? We try and be squeaky-clean and then end up going too far...
stivi
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so far I couldn't find anything on infections in planes. and the fact air travel has picked up a lot again makes me think it must be pretty safe (of course with everyone wearing a mask). to be perfectly honest, IMO it's the one thing that proves wearing a mask works because I'm sure else we would have seen some spikes resulting out of air travel.
CasaNegron
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Meanwhile... in the USA
Florida health official says man who died in motorcycle crash listed as coronavirus death - Washington Examiner
Questions are being raised about Florida’s coronavirus death toll reporting after a man who died in a motorcycle accident was listed in the COVID-19 death count. Dr. Raul Pino, an Orange County health officer, told Fox 35 News that a supposed coronavirus victim in his 20s died in a motorcycle...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Aparently, they wanted to look deeper into why someone in their 20s with no underlying health conditions died. Not saying that the virus is bullshit but something aint right...
MrHullMysterious
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It would probably better to look at hospitalization figures. As that will show numbers of people with a none trivial incidence of the disease. (USA, brazil etc are rammed to the doors, india been turning people away etc?
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