☣ Coronavirus ☣

[eclipse15]

So, I’ve come to London for a couple of days to see friends for the first time in a million years, and it’s my first proper prolonged mask experience. It’s about 25/26 degrees here, I’m asthmatic, and wearing a mask is genuinely awful. My breathing feels super restricted and it’s making my jaw really tight as a result.
I could genuinely not imagine having to do this in 36/38 degree ibiza heat

 

[JayDR8]

So, I’ve come to London for a couple of days to see friends for the first time in a million years, and it’s my first proper prolonged mask experience. It’s about 25/26 degrees here, I’m asthmatic, and wearing a mask is genuinely awful. My breathing feels super restricted and it’s making my jaw really tight as a result.
I could genuinely not imagine having to do this in 36/38 degree ibiza heat

But in positive news the pubs here are looking brilliant in the sun and really busy

 

[Neo95gt]

They aren't, though. The 7-day rolling average (for the whole of the States) is going up again, considerably so.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Florida had it's worst day for deaths yesterday, for example. Texas, the last three days have been the worst. Of course some states are doing very well, but overall the whole country the figures are looking awful.

Yeah there’s a little bump in daily total deaths, but it’s still massively down from 2-3 months ago. I expect total deaths to continue to slowly increase due to the increase in positive cases in some states.

What I was really talking about is the death rate per positive cases are way down. And that’s because we are learning how to treat it better and it’s more the younger population getting infected.

 

[TiffyBarrett]

So, I’ve come to London for a couple of days to see friends for the first time in a million years, and it’s my first proper prolonged mask experience. It’s about 25/26 degrees here, I’m asthmatic, and wearing a mask is genuinely awful. My breathing feels super restricted and it’s making my jaw really tight as a result.
I could genuinely not imagine having to do this in 36/38 degree ibiza heat

Surely with a respiratory illness you don't have to wear a mask? Is there not some kind of ruling for that?

 

[eclipse15]

Surely with a respiratory illness you don't have to wear a mask? Is there not some kind of ruling for that?

It’s not really about “have to” for me. Even if there was an exemption for me, I’d still wear it for the good of everyone else. It’s not fun, but I can deal with being a bit uncomfortable compared to potential spreading to a few dozen people on the same train

 

[gutsy]

F that, if you’ve got asthma or a respiratory disease you Shouldn’t have to wear one. Risk your own life just to save passing on a disease that you probably haven't got. Not right at all.

 

[chez]

did find it funny yesterday how Matt Hancock had to issue a statement of how they have messing up the death tole figures and it is infact much lower hours later Boris's announcement of how more things are opening.. definitely a feeling of backtracking / over exaggeration

 

[craig72]

We need more heroes like this man, bars have spent €€€€€ getting places ready to open on Monday then to be told no we're not we're waiting another month.. he said what's the difference in having a pizza and couple of pint or just a couple of pint? The virus doesn't know if you have eaten or not..?

Limerick publican vows to defy government advice and open Monday

A LIMERICK publican says he will be opening for business on Monday morning – despite a government call not to resume trading. Gearoid Whelan, pictured, who runs Whelan’s Pub in Maiden Street, Newcastle West, says in four days time, pints will be pulled in his pub for the first time since...

www.limerickleader.ie

 

[chez]

We need more heroes like this man, bars have spent €€€€€ getting places ready to open on Monday then to be told no we're not we're waiting another month.. he said what's the difference in having a pizza and couple of pint or just a couple of pint? The virus doesn't know if you have eaten or not..?

Limerick publican vows to defy government advice and open Monday

A LIMERICK publican says he will be opening for business on Monday morning – despite a government call not to resume trading. Gearoid Whelan, pictured, who runs Whelan’s Pub in Maiden Street, Newcastle West, says in four days time, pints will be pulled in his pub for the first time since...

www.limerickleader.ie

disgusting goings on, people are out of pocket enough then to actually have to spend to get the place fit for opening in line with Government guidelines to then be told its not opening yet Im so glad I don't have my own business or are in an entertainment trade I feel worn down and I haven't even had anytime off work

good on him!

 

[craig72]

disgusting goings on, people are out of pocket enough then to actually have to spend to get the place fit for opening in line with Government guidelines to then be told its not opening yet Im so glad I don't have my own business or are in an entertainment trade I feel worn down and I haven't even had anytime off work

good on him!

This is all over the country.. only a small problem we know but makes headlines here.. one famous Kerry TD said after alll these people flew in from Texas the last two weekends.. that we're saying it's Ok to travel from a Hot Spot but you can't have a hot drop in the pub when you get here.. LoL

 

[craig72]

Comedy Gold from Kerry's finest..

 

[chez]

This is all over the country.. only a small problem we know but makes headlines here.. one famous Kerry TD said after alll these people flew in from Texas the last two weekends.. that we're saying it's Ok to travel from a Hot Spot but you can't have a hot drop in the pub when you get here.. LoL

mad init ..if this pandemic has done anything it really has exposed the worlds leaders / points of authority as to how stupid they can actually be, been lost with some of the decisions that have made it to finish line over these last 3 months

 

[2H76]

On that world graph, just looking a a random dozen countries (and Spain) it appears than some that had really low recent case numbers have had a little increase, so will the number of deaths rise three weeks down the line?
If not, then could the virus either becoming less potent, or are there fewer "weaker" people around now that it would kill? Think the latter is the herd immunisation theory?
Meanwhile, just seen a poster "What's the difference between Kennedy and Trump? One took us to the moon, under the other we can't go to Europe".
To be fair I think US citizens CAN come to Europe, but they have to quarantine (??) so there's no blanket "ban". But that aside, by now the numbers dying int eh US should be the same as Canada next door where the deaths are now just high of single figures/day - allowing that Canada has 1/10th the pop of the US it's still significantly lower pro/rata than the US. Multiply Canada's deaths recently by 10 (ie to the USA's population) and it's 90-100 daily compared to the US's recent dailies of around 900.

 

[MrHullMysterious]

On that world graph, just looking a a random dozen countries (and Spain) it appears than some that had really low recent case numbers have had a little increase, so will the number of deaths rise three weeks down the line?
If not, then could the virus either becoming less potent, or are there fewer "weaker" people around now that it would kill? Think the latter is the herd immunisation theory?
Meanwhile, just seen a poster "What's the difference between Kennedy and Trump? One took us to the moon, under the other we can't go to Europe".
To be fair I think US citizens CAN come to Europe, but they have to quarantine (??) so there's no blanket "ban". But that aside, by now the numbers dying int eh US should be the same as Canada next door where the deaths are now just high of single figures/day - allowing that Canada has 1/10th the pop of the US it's still significantly lower pro/rata than the US. Multiply Canada's deaths recently by 10 (ie to the USA's population) and it's 90-100 daily compared to the US's recent dailies of around 900.

Just on the herd immunity, there is now evidence that it might not be possible to achieve. Basically asymptomatic or people with very mild illness don't develop much of an antibody response. So while their immune system can clear the infection, without strong (and persistent) antibodies, it means their immune system can't stop them been re-infected.

So not a problem for them get it again and again, but means (and seems to be) likely to be infectious and risk for others.

Ways around this is a good vaccine (they tend to produce a stronger more consistent antibody response), which will protect those who've not had it and might get severe illness. Or it carries on mutating to be more mild and end up like the common cold (which is also a class of coronavirus)

Things to worry about are it mutating to something worse, and the evidence building that it damages other organs too (well the immune response is doing the damage, but get what I mean)

Let's hope we don't discover in few years all those young people who didn't care actually have a long term time bomb in them. (SARS they found long term issues few years down the road)

Ps: on less deaths, like you alluded to, it's due to less old people getting it. However hospitalization is running high in USA, so while not death figures not going up massively (yet), a lot of people in a bad way.

 

[soulcompromise]

Right now, selfish as it may sound, I'm blaming a lot on travel restrictions. We've been sort of operating at normal here in California; at least it's normal for me. Normal with a mask*. and gloves... But still, until recently lots of things were open. Even restaurants and bars were seating patrons. Churches are still holding their services.

Yet we're told that travel must wait. Why? What is different about travel I suppose must relate to your proximity on an aircraft to other passengers. Can they operate at reduced capacity to accommodate social distancing? Restaurants have done that here. They have some booths blocked off some way or another and can only seat half as many patrons.

But in the United States the state department has the highest level of precaution (level 4) in effect. It states "Do Not Travel" in no uncertain terms. We're to stay home, yet can cavort at bars; at least until some time last week or whenever when they decided that it isn't working and we must implement stricter guidelines.

Anyway, I can't go anywhere. And they've closed gyms and bars. Churches apparently are still doing their thing; or at least they were for a funeral mass that my parents attended yesterday (I think it was a funeral mass... I can't figure out why else they would've gone yesterday, but they did).

 

[jimmiz]

The French Prime Minister mentions the possibility of closing the border with Spain, given the situation in Catalonia.... ?

 

[chez]

Right now, selfish as it may sound, I'm blaming a lot on travel restrictions. We've been sort of operating at normal here in California; at least it's normal for me. Normal with a mask*. and gloves... But still, until recently lots of things were open. Even restaurants and bars were seating patrons. Churches are still holding their services.

Yet we're told that travel must wait. Why? What is different about travel I suppose must relate to your proximity on an aircraft to other passengers. Can they operate at reduced capacity to accommodate social distancing? Restaurants have done that here. They have some booths blocked off some way or another and can only seat half as many patrons.

But in the United States the state department has the highest level of precaution (level 4) in effect. It states "Do Not Travel" in no uncertain terms. We're to stay home, yet can cavort at bars; at least until some time last week or whenever when they decided that it isn't working and we must implement stricter guidelines.

Anyway, I can't go anywhere. And they've closed gyms and bars. Churches apparently are still doing their thing; or at least they were for a funeral mass that my parents attended yesterday (I think it was a funeral mass... I can't figure out why else they would've gone yesterday, but they did).

we are meant to be flying to LAX in late October for Cali / Vegas trip at the start of lockdown we thought our Europe holidays would be the ones that are looking less likely to get on and U.S was looking good now the roles have completely reversed ..just hoping theres a little movement by the time we menna be out there

 

[soulcompromise]

we are meant to be flying to LAX in late October for Cali / Vegas trip at the start of lockdown we thought our Europe holidays would be the ones that are looking less likely to get on and U.S was looking good now the roles have completely reversed ..just hoping theres a little movement by the time we menna be out there

I'm sure you'll be allowed to disembark. CDC might require a quarantine if your home country is experiencing an outbreak at that time though. I've spoken with Customs as well as TSA and they directed me to review CDC guidelines. I was looking at this for fear of quarantine costing an arm and a leg upon a return from a trip...

Returning from International Travel

 

[chez]

I'm sure you'll be allowed to disembark. CDC might require a quarantine if your home country is experiencing an outbreak at that time though. I've spoken with Customs as well as TSA and they directed me to review CDC guidelines. I was looking at this for fear of quarantine costing an arm and a leg upon a return from a trip...

Returning from International Travel

fingers crossed mate its more the fact that we have to still quarantine for 2 weeks on return back to the UK for any of south / north American. they papers are saying its looking like Decemeber but were just hoping there is no truth in that

 

[soulcompromise]

we are meant to be flying to LAX in late October for Cali / Vegas trip at the start of lockdown we thought our Europe holidays would be the ones that are looking less likely to get on and U.S was looking good now the roles have completely reversed ..just hoping theres a little movement by the time we menna be out there

Here is something about restrictions. It doesn't sound particularly good.

Travelers Prohibited from Entry

It leads to here if you click around a bit:

Proclamation on the Suspension of Entry....