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MrHullMysterious said:
Shit job but someone's gotta do it ?
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Yeah, crap innit.

Wonder if it was around for several months, but only really took off because it had gained strength (or whatever virus's gain) because it was feeding on us, so as it was passed around it got stronger?

Would fit in with me possibly having a mild case in January if that's what it was, but strong enough to be fatal for dear old mum? But as it wasn't around and noted in any great numbers then, it wasn't noticed by the hospital docs so mum got "pneumonia/sepsis" on the death certificate? I'll never know.

But these virus's have to come from somewhere and maybe they are, like babies, pretty weak to begin with but once they get a grip...?? Any virologists amongst us here??
 
I thought I was comman knowledge that the virus was making its rounds In China November time? I know they tried to cover it up or whatever but there was still things getting shared about before new year
 
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I thought I was comman knowledge that the virus was making its rounds In China November time? I know they tried to cover it up or whatever but there was still things getting shared about before new year
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Think with these latest findings it’s pretty much nailed on it’s been about a lot longer than we thought and this is our second wave
 
2H76 said:
Yeah, crap innit.

Wonder if it was around for several months, but only really took off because it had gained strength (or whatever virus's gain) because it was feeding on us, so as it was passed around it got stronger?

Would fit in with me possibly having a mild case in January if that's what it was, but strong enough to be fatal for dear old mum? But as it wasn't around and noted in any great numbers then, it wasn't noticed by the hospital docs so mum got "pneumonia/sepsis" on the death certificate? I'll never know.

But these virus's have to come from somewhere and maybe they are, like babies, pretty weak to begin with but once they get a grip...?? Any virologists amongst us here??
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Sorry to hear about your mum ??

There are definitely different strains or mutations. They track these and thus know a lot of initial uk infections actually came from Europe and usa, not china.

Also as said before wuhan wet market infections show 2 different strains (clades?)

Maybe it has become more infectious before symptoms , or numbers masked by seasonal flu which is got mistaken for??‍♂️

It might have crossed back and forth between species for a while (big cats have caught it from people and transmitted it to each other) and picked up a novel mutation.

We probs won't know for sure.

It is mad to think that our DNA is like software on a hard drive, something reads it and makes little RNA executable programs that the cells then run, to make proteins or whatever needed. And all a virus is is RNA that is out in the environment replicating in organisms and mutating (less check sums on RNA replication ?)

But viruses while evil in many contexts are probably responsible for a lot of gene transfer and lead to the world we see today.?

Just to be clear I'm not a biologist so could be talking complete bollox?
 
Spain’s foreign minister, Arancha Gonzalez Laya, has told the BBC this Saturday that British tourists will now be allowed to fly to Spain from from Sunday without the need for them to spend two weeks in quarantine, out of fears of them bringing the coronavirus.

“We will allow British visitors to enter Spain just like the rest of the European Union or Schengen area from 21 June freely and without the need for the quarantine,” she told the BBC News in an announcement that has surprised many without warning, but will certainly please the tens of thousands of people who work in and around tourism which has been completely at a standstill since the State of Emergency was announced 14 weeks ago.

Gonzalez Laya pointed out that all British travelers would be subject to the same “triple check” system as the other European visitors, checking their origin, taking their temperature and the taking of contact details, just in case they need to be traced.
 
MrHullMysterious said:
As b_falls mentioned above, increasing cases and pretty much exponential growth if quick and decisive action isn't taken.
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R = 1.79 means for every 100 people infected, they infect 179 others. Assuming the same R value those 179 infect 320 new people, and so on. So in short order 100 people just added 500 new infections. Now throw some zeros on the 100 and you can imagine how bad that can get.
 
B_Falls said:
R = 1.79 means for every 100 people infected, they infect 179 others. Assuming the same R value those 179 infect 320 new people, and so on. So in short order 100 people just added 500 new infections. Now throw some zeros on the 100 and you can imagine how bad that can get.
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Brazil has reported 55k new cases a day and increasing!

That's why even if you lock down a few days or a week earlier it can make a massive difference to cases and number of deaths. (like if uk locked down a week earlier then number of deaths is estimated to be half what it is currently)

Let's hope Germany gets on top of it quick
 
MrHullMysterious said:
Brazil has reported 55k new cases a day and increasing!

That's why even if you lock down a few days or a week earlier it can make a massive difference to cases and number of deaths. (like if uk locked down a week earlier then number of deaths is estimated to be half what it is currently)

Let's hope Germany gets on top of it quick
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Oh yeah. Brazil is going to be a case study in how to not deal with a pandemic. Brazil, the UK, and the US are led by the 3 worst people possible in this situation. I'm absolutely shocked the EU is letting anyone from the uk in with how bad they've been. Shit, the uk is looking to open up nightclubs, its nuts.
 
They told its because clusters which are known ( meat factory , some big houses in goettingen and so on ) . They also told its under control.
Otherwise we are fu.. up
Thats why I would not book a holiday anywhere : The situation is not stable. Can change in a week or less. A cluster in a holiday destination and you are in your hotel .
 
MrHullMysterious said:
Let's hope Germany gets on top of it quick
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We have three hotspots in Germany, one is a slaughterhouse with more than 1.000 infections within a few days (until last week we had about 300 new infections per day). The other two are housing blocks in Berlin & Göttingen (in quarantine). That should be the main result for the high R-rate. Let's hope that we'll have better number in the next days...
 
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